Terrorism comes to Norway.

[BoSoxGal]

I'd heard it was a 20 (21?) year sentence for murder; I didn't realize they don't allow for consecutive sentencing. I wonder if the law won't be modified going forward now that terrorism has come to Norway.

[Gob]

Letting him loose in the middle of Oslo now would be a better sentence.

[Gob]

Mr Gleffe and his parents had been drinking coffee at the Utvika camping ground - just 600 metres opposite Utoya island where a summer camp for youth members of Norway's ruling Labour Party was being held - when they heard a series of bangs.

They looked up and saw smoke coming from the island.

When they rushed down to the camp ground's jetty, hoping to find out what happened, they saw another camper pulling a teenager out of the water as a girl swimming behind her screamed "help", "shooting" and told them to call the police, Mr Gleffe told German magazine Der Spiegel.

Mr Gleffe, his parents and other campers snapped into action, jumping into their small boats and paddling towards the island in an attempt to save as many people in the water as possible.

"I immediately suspected that there was a connection to the attack in Oslo. I know the difference between fireworks and gunfire. I knew what it was about," Mr Gleffe, who was described in media reports as having a military background, told Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet.

"In such a situation, you don't think at all," he told Der Spiegel.

"There were people swimming everywhere in the water. I threw them lifejackets and pulled those into the boat who were having the most trouble. Everyone was screaming, but they were also helping each other."

Mr Gleffe brought his boat as close to the shore of Utoya island as he could and kept an eye out for Mr Breivik - whom he had earlier spotted through his binoculars.

He was initially puzzled as to why some of the youths were frightened of him when he tried to rescue them, with some screaming "don't come too close" or "do you want to kill us", but later found out that Mr Breivik, while dressed in a policeman's uniform, had called the youths to come to him before he fired on them.

Mr Gleffe made around four or five boat trips and managed to pull up to 30 people out from the water. Together with other campers, they rescued a total of 150 people from the island.

He brushed aside praise, telling Der Spiegel: "What we did simply goes without saying."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/roofer-hail ... z1TAVu3PUZ

[liberty]

How old were the kids that were killed? What if he is not a loner; with the internet like minded people can easily find each other? Why does he hate this particular political party so much?

[BoSoxGal]

I skimmed his manifesto. He hated non-Christian brown people and working women who use birth control and leave unfulfilling marriages; he blames both for all the evils of modern society. In that regard he has plenty of company, but luckily most misogynistic bigots aren't crazy enough to engage in the mass murder of children.

He is a seriously sick fuck and if Norway lets him loose in 21 years . . . Well as liberal as I am, even I draw the line at believing mass murderers of children can be successfully rehabilitated.

[BoSoxGal]

Apparently as of 2002 there is an option for effective life imprisonment in Norway: forvaring. I suspect this guy will be detained repeatedly as posing a continued potential risk to society.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imp ... _in_Norway

[liberty]

I skimmed his manifesto. He hated non-Christian brown people and working women who use birth control and leave unfulfilling marriages; he blames both for all the evils of modern society. In that regard he has plenty of company, but luckily most misogynistic bigots aren't crazy enough to engage in the mass murder of children.
_________________________________________________________
Well then why was he killing blond blue eyed kids? Why didn’t he attack the Islamic community in Norway?__________________________________________________________
He is a seriously sick fuck and if Norway lets him loose in 21 years . . . Well as liberal as I am, even I draw the line at believing mass murderers of children can be successfully rehabilitated.

What about other mass murderers; can anyone be rehabilitated against their will?

[Grim Reaper]

Well then why was he killing blond blue eyed kids? Why didn’t he attack the Islamic community in Norway?

He wanted to scare the people in power, get them to kick out the Muslims, instead of just killing a few Muslims.

[dgs49]

This guy is not alone in thinking that the cultural and population time bomb that is euphemistically called, "multiculturalism" is bad for Norway - and Europe.

From my comms with Europeans (mainly German and Luxembourgian) they have the sense that the political elite in Europe are determined to shove this crap down their throat, and there is essentially nothing that can be done about it at the ballot box. The politicos recognize that the native population of Europe is slowing dying due to low birth rate, and without immigrants coming and paying taxes there will be no one to pay for their precious pensions and health benefits.

Of course the downside is that they are welcoming a population that, by and large, wants to destroy the native cultures and replace them with Islam and Sharia law.

Picky, picky.

[Gob]

I hate agreeing with you Dave, but on this occasion your information does contain a kernel of truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... nic_groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_luxembourg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... #Ethnicity

[liberty]

Well then why was he killing blond blue eyed kids? Why didn’t he attack the Islamic community in Norway?

He wanted to scare the people in power, get them to kick out the Muslims, instead of just killing a few Muslims.

Good analyst, what else should I expect form the discipline and objective military mind?

Unless he had a extremely low opinion of his own countrymen, I can’t see how he could expect one attack to achieve his goal. Either he has comrades or he hoping to inspired additional attacks. Or could he is expecting to turn is trial into a show trial to inspire potential comrades

As horrendous as his attack was at least it makes more sense than McVeigh’s attack at Oklahoma City; this guy did target a specific political party.

[Grim Reaper]

Or could he is expecting to turn is trial into a show trial to inspire potential comrades

That's one of the things he wrote about actually. Using a trial as a way of spreading his message farther.

[BoSoxGal]

So what?

If caucasian people aren't interested in breeding like rabbits, the caucasian population declines. It is what it is. Muslim culture will eventually predominate. It is what it is.

It's not the basis for mass murder of kids.

[liberty]

So what?

If caucasian people aren't interested in breeding like rabbits, the caucasian population declines. It is what it is. Muslim culture will eventually predominate. It is what it is.

It's not the basis for mass murder of kids.

BSG, I think you mean white people or Europeans the Arabs are Caucasians as well; Caucasian is not a good term I prefer the word honkey as in honker. True the inter city blacks who coined it in 1920s meant it as racial insult but it is a better term. We are the hairy big nosed people.

And I agree nothing can but self defense can justify the intentional killing of children, but were they really children. Some people if the situation is right will call 18, 19 and 20 year olds children. Those people are adults, not children.

Does anyone know the ages of the young people killed?

[dgs49]

"...breeding like rabbits..."

What is necessary to maintain the population is for each member of the female population to have, on average, a little more than two children in her lifetime. I would hardly consider that "breeding like rabbits."

But clearly, there's trouble brewing when the people with the greatest resources (education, intelligence, wealth, family resources) in any society are declining to have children in significant numbers and the people with the least resources - typified by single women - are "breeding like rabbits."

I'm rather glad I won't be around to see the Brave New World.

[BoSoxGal]

The world changes. Meh.

[dales]

1969 was the last year of the 5-cent candy bar.

[loCAtek]

I've also heard of the 'Knights Templar' being revered by white supremacists here in the states. An eye should be kept on them.

[Gob]

I've also heard of the 'Knights Templar' being revered by white supremacists here in the states. An eye should be kept on them.

The usual nonsense then.

[rubato]

"...breeding like rabbits..."

What is necessary to maintain the population is for each member of the female population to have, on average, a little more than two children in her lifetime. I would hardly consider that "breeding like rabbits."

But clearly, there's trouble brewing when the people with the greatest resources (education, intelligence, wealth, family resources) in any society are declining to have children in significant numbers and the people with the least resources - typified by single women - are "breeding like rabbits."

I'm rather glad I won't be around to see the Brave New World.

A single Norwegian woman has more resources than you do.


yrs,
rubato