quaddriver wrote:and not faulty resulting in lower life expectancy as Gob opined?
Ah, ye old team troll technique, "lie about what people have said, never back it up with a quote by them."
um dingleberry, 'twasnt I who posted the life expectancy chart nor defended it. (Im thinking around tuesday, august 2nd around 9:34pm - you can edit your posts after the fact - go ahead and wipe it out now) Now if that WASNT yours, and the others who did defend it objective, why post it? THAT would be team troll. You posted it, and you deny you posted it.
Gob wrote:[Mind you, I can see why someone sucking on the government teat like you are would want more government spending.
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"making up facts..."?
I receive not one single dime from the govt, fed state or local, like the vast majority of americans. I however do pay in much more in federal income taxes alone than the per capitas of most places in the US. Factoids like that tend to lead into the "disproportionate share of taxes" arguments.
IT does not detract from the reality that you turned this thread into yet another one of your douchebag threads by arguing one of your non-sequitor strawmen on how we are dying off so quickly due to faulty health care - which got utterly destroyed. But you live by the ad hominem attack. This thread being proof.
Your attempts at refuting any of the data I posted?
Gob wrote:
typical.
Mebbe I should divert my attention and give equal shrift to all of your 'the USA sucks and this is why...' threads. The world is a stage, you like performing on it, you need a critic....
Uncle Gregory died. Couldn't get the engine re-started after the bypass operation.
Which was SUCCESSFUL, I'll have you know.
So we, the U.S. taxpayers are going to pay more than a hundred thou for five days of dicking around because the doctor couldn't tell Gregory, "Sorry, buddy your time is up. I could break open your chest and pretend that there is some chance that you could return home to your 'normal' life, but it would be best if I gave you a prescription for some of this medical marijuana stuff so you can die happy, in your own bed with your family around you. Ta ta for now."
Instead, his body was torn assunder and he never got a chance to say goodby to his wife, daughters and grandchildren.
Last year my Dad was scheduled to have a heart valve transplant, a 78 year old overweight guy that had been a diabetic since 1975 and had a triple by-pass in 1995. He's always been a big tough dude, (the kind who's little finger was literally the size of my thumb, he weighed over 13lbs at birth), never complained of any malady or anything that life presented to him, and of the generation where you just do what the doctor says.
Well, a month before he was scheduled for surgery, he literally dropped dead geting into his van at a store. I mean, opening the door ready to get in and drops right there, dead instantly. God was merciful, I'm so glad and we are blessed that he didn't have to go through the whole ordeal, probably dying somewhere in the process. Or even worse, 5 minutes later driving down the freeway.
My thoughts are with your family.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
My dad was 77 and slowly dying of an assortment of maladies. Due to impending liver failure, he had a problem with a chemical imbalance in his blood that caused symptoms of dimentia. Ironically, it could be completely resolved by taking a strong laxative, but he hated how that made him feel, for obvious reasons.
So occasionally, he would be out in La-La land for a few hours until we got some pills into him.
Other than that, he was completely functional and ambulatory, living with my wife, my son, and me.
One December night when we were out with my 10year-old son at an indoor-soccer tournament, he took off in the car, going God-knows where, and crossed the centerline of a local two-lane. His Ford Tempo lost the battle with an old Olds VistaCruiser wagon, and he was killed instantly on contact. The passengers in the wagon walked away (though that didn't prevent the woman in the passenger seat from suing the estate a few years later for some bullshit "latent" injuries).
Gone in an instant.
He was horribly disfigured in the accident, and had to be buried in a closed casket. I had the misfortune of having to identify him in the hospital morgue the night of the accident. I recognized him by his clothes. Thankfully I have no memory of exactly how he looked, but only my reaction to seeing him.
May his soul and the souls of all the faithfully departed rest in peace.
quaddriver wrote:I receive not one single dime from the govt, fed state or local, like the vast majority of americans. I however do pay in much more in federal income taxes alone than the per capitas of most places in the US. Factoids like that tend to lead into the "disproportionate share of taxes" arguments.
Timothy fired you! No wonder you're so bitter these days....
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
quaddriver wrote:I receive not one single dime from the govt, fed state or local, like the vast majority of americans. I however do pay in much more in federal income taxes alone than the per capitas of most places in the US. Factoids like that tend to lead into the "disproportionate share of taxes" arguments.
Timothy fired you! No wonder you're so bitter these days....
Oh, you mean a paycheck, in return for a job.
As I said before, if the govt should not be in the biz of doing certain pieces of work, fine, get out of it and privatize it. But that is a different argument than saying a piece of work does not need done period. The inability to distinguish the difference is most likely the root cause of the idiotic statements that make the news today.
And no, not only didnt Timothy fire me, I have a promotion starting Saturday. You may use the discovery directory to lookitup.
So we, the U.S. taxpayers are going to pay more than a hundred thou for five days of dicking around because the doctor couldn't tell Gregory, "Sorry, buddy your time is up.
Sorry for your family's loss. On your point, any attempt to rationalize healthcare in this type of situation would be demagogued as "death panels" or an egregious attempt to "gut Medicare".
quaddriver wrote:So FINALLY we have a concensus that the US system is expensive, and not faulty resulting in lower life expectancy as Gob opined?
'bout time.
No thanks required.
Yeah, I agree...the U.S. healthcare system is expensive, inefficient, poorly distributed, difficult to access, completely unavailable to a significant portion of the population, and expensive.
Other than that, it's pretty good.
But expensive.
(Of course, those who can't afford it might have reduced life expectancies, but oh well...)
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God@The Tweet of God
