Calderon, demanded a crackdown on drugs

[liberty]

I agree with his statement, but the best way to cut off the life blood of the drug of gangs would be an adequate barrier on the border that would greatly impede illegal crossings . Lets start with a forty foot wall to begin with and move on from that to whatever else is needed.

He would never agree with that because the Idea of colonizing the US has too much allure.

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http://news.yahoo.com/grenade-attack-me ... 26547.html

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - President Felipe Calderon declared three days of mourning on Friday and demanded a crackdown on drugs in the United States after armed men torched a casino in northern Mexico, killing at least 52 people.

Under intense pressure as violence soars, Calderon said he would send more federal security forces to the city of Monterrey, where gunmen set fire to an upmarket casino on Thursday in one of the worst attacks of Mexico's drugs war.

Lashing out at corrupt officials in Mexico and "insatiable" U.S. demand for drugs for fomenting the violence, Calderon urged Congress to stamp out drug consumption and stop illegal trafficking of weapons across the border into Mexico.

[Gob]

Mexico's government is offering a 30m peso ($2.4m, £1.47m) reward for information leading to those behind a casino attack which killed over 50.

Several gunmen burst into the building in broad daylight, dousing it with fuel and setting it alight.

Officials suspect organised crime was behind the attack, one of the deadliest since a 2006 crackdown on drug cartels.

US President Barack Obama condemned the attack, reinforcing his commitment to helping Mexico combat criminal groups.

"The people of Mexico and their government are engaged in a brave fight to disrupt violent transnational criminal organisations that threaten both Mexico and the United States," he said in a statement released by the White House. "The United States is and will remain a partner in this fight."

At the scene
Julian Miglierini BBC News, Mexico City

The first thing you notice as you approach the Casino Royale in central Monterrey is not just the heightened security or the helicopters hovering above.

It is the smell of burnt plastic and wood that lingers after the massive fire that ravaged this building on Thursday afternoon. The front of the charred building was destroyed not by the flames, but by a crane from a nearby construction site summoned by desperate casino employees trying to reach those trapped inside.

A white pick-up truck with a silver ribbon on it is still parked near the casino entrance. It was used to lure avid gamblers into the building with the promise of a win. Now it is a reminder that Monterrey's Casino Royale was a place for people to dream of a big win. What they got was a nightmare - trapped in a burning building.

Looking stern, President Felipe Calderon was here on Friday morning to place a wreath in memory of those who died. He has called this an "act of terror". If that is the case, then the remains of the casino are the "ground zero" of Mexico's drugs war.

[dales]

from the map of cartel influence in Mexico:

Knights Templar, wtf?

[rubato]

"let's build a wall" just like the communists did.

Just another failed totalitarian pseudo-solution.



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[Grim Reaper]

Yes, let's spend millions on a wall that people can fly over, dig under, or swim around.

[rubato]

Yes, let's spend [tens of billions] on a wall that people can fly over, dig under, [bribe their way through, cut a hole in it, blow it up] or swim around.

Minor typos there.

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[Jarlaxle]

Build a wall. Make it 15' high, top it with 10' of razor wire humming with 50,000 volts and 100 amps. Surround it with no-man's land--a 100 yard wide strip denuded of all vegetation, sown liberally with anti-personnel land mines and covered with machine guns on motion detectors. After the no-man's land should be another barrier: a 15' high, 15' thick tangle of razor wire, also humming with 50,000 volts. After that should be another open area, patrolled by the Border Patrol, with ROE being: shoot on sight, shoot to kill. After that should be another tangle of electrified (normal electric-fence power) razor wire. Anyone crossing should be machine guinned and left to rot.

Employing, housing, sheltering, or otherwise aiding an illegal alien in any way except emergency medical care should be a felony punishable by 25 years in prison & a fine of at least $5,000,000 for the first offence.

[Scooter]

And the drug cartels will just tunnel under it all like they've done in dozens of places already (the ones that have been found, that is) and what would it have gotten you? Do you imagine the drug trade operates on solitary runners wading across the Rio Grande?

[liberty]

And the drug cartels will just tunnel under it all like they've done in dozens of places already (the ones that have been found, that is) and what would it have gotten you? Do you imagine the drug trade operates on solitary runners wading across the Rio Grande?

No they drive trucks across.

[Scooter]

And a wall will stop that how, exactly? Just gonna seal the entire border and not let anyone in or out?

[Jarlaxle]

There should be one or two checkpoints...all vehicles crossing should be searched top to bottom. Any contraband found, the driver spends 20 years in a cell pondering how he fucked up.

[Scooter]

Sure, with 350,000,000 people and $400,000,000,000 in goods that cross the border every year that will be a piece of cake.

[Timster]

The suggestion that a fence of any kind is what the US needs to secure its borders is ludicrous. A fence? Really?

A fence on our southern border whilst ignoring the rest of the over 9000 miles of perimeter would be akin to placing a band aid over a gushing wound. And what about our port security?

Don't even get me fucking started on the logistical nightmare that is the lack of security in our ports. Too late.

Port-security-and-the-nightmare-scenario.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_security

https://homeport.uscg.mil/mycg/portal/e ... lId=-18389

[Econoline]

Well, I'm sure that if the U.S. devoted a significant portion of its national economy to the goal of keeping all non-U.S. citizens and goods from entering the country, it could be done. Judging by the success of communist regimes, it might even last a few decades before the effort, and the nation, collapsed. (Fortunately, it would take long enough to put in place that all of us who would rather not live under such a regime would have plenty of time to move to Canada, Europe, or elsewhere.)

[Jarlaxle]

Sure, with 350,000,000 people and $400,000,000,000 in goods that cross the border every year that will be a piece of cake.

Kill enough and the rest will eventually fall into line. If that means shooting a few hundred thousand illegal aliens trying to cross & having a couple hundred more blasted to carbonized dust by 50,000 volts...then it does, so be it.

The border MUST be sealed by any means necessary. I don't care what it takes, it MUST be done.

[Scooter]

Sealing the border with the exception of 2 checkpoints, as you have proposed, would require pushing through an average of 333 people per minute at each. How do you propose to do that in such a way as to ensure they are carrying no contraband? To say nothing of the fact that border towns will be turned into East Berlin.

This is precisely the problem with vacuous rhetoric like "the border must be sealed", it completely ignores all practicalities.

It makes a nice slogan for a needlepoint sampler, though.

[rubato]

The US gun nuts have blocked any effective means of stopping the flow of semi-automatic rifles and handguns along with millions of rounds of ammunition into Mexico each year.

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[liberty]

The US gun nuts have blocked any effective means of stopping the flow of semi-automatic rifles and handguns along with millions of rounds of ammunition into Mexico each year.

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Wasn’t it the ATF that did that; if I remember correctly the gun stores involved wanted to stop the sell, but the federal government insisted that they go through even though they knew they were sell guns to criminals.
V

[Scooter]

The allegation was that the ATF had surveillance video of sales and purposely let the guns walk in order to find out where they ended up so they could build a case, NOT that the ATF orchestrated the sales. The stores had made the sales on their own; it's not as if the ATF ordered them to sell guns against their will.

[Grim Reaper]

The border MUST be sealed by any means necessary. I don't care what it takes, it MUST be done.

We could spend trillions upon trillions and still not be able to seal our border. The very idea requires ignoring all technological advances in the past hundred years, the very concept of three dimensions, and the simple fact that humans are only human and can still make mistakes.