BC is so BC

[thestoat]

BTW, Loca has the correct view

Ah, that's a shame, but it does explain to me why some people are so rude abroad. I maintain that this dictatorial attitude is harmful to race relations, but I have been enlightened in having a brief view of what goes through some peoples mind when they make this assumption.

[Liberty1]

I'm not being rude, I just call statist perceptions, statist perceptions is all.

[The Hen]

Are you abroad Lib1?


Or should that read .... Are you a broad Lib1?

[Liberty1]

No I'm not a broad, but I believe I am abroad relative to thestoat's location.

[The Hen]

But in an English speaking country.

Stoat is referring to people who go to non-English speaking counties and make no attempt to communicate in the language of that country, even if it is to ask "Do you speak English?" in that language.

[Sue U]

But in an English speaking country.

There are those who might disagree.

[The Hen]

Fnaaar.

[thestoat]

I'm not being rude, I just call statist perceptions, statist perceptions is all.

No, is not all. When I have discussed this with friends in Europe the vast majority (maybe all) take the attitude "ah, it's just stupid Americans". That is a shame because many Americans I have met (most, actually) are not stupid. But that sort of attitude does you no favours.

[loCAtek]

So, whichever standards in languages and calenders chosen, are irrelevant, just so long as we agree to commonly communicate.

[dales]

Time is a human-based construct.

[thestoat]

So, whichever standards in languages and calenders chosen, are irrelevant, just so long as we agree to commonly communicate.

Obviously. But for speech it is at a local level. If I am in France and want to speak to someone new I will ask them if they speak English (in French, because I can do that). If they can't I'll ask if they can speak German. If not then I'll give up. I won't automatically assume they speak English because they will not have heard about the "global agreement". If they do speak English when I ask them then there is an implicit agreement that we converse in English. But that does not make the next French person I meet party to that agreement.

[liberty]

Before buying a history book new or used check the date system; if you see anything other than BC/
AD register your disapproval by letting it slip out of hands and walking off. I can’t recommend using the tactics used during the 1990’s K-Mart war since those would actually be illegal.

[loCAtek]

[that does not make the next French person I meet party to that agreement.

Of course not.

That's a personal choice, however most on the globe, agree to it.

At times, we agree to pointing and charades, that works too.
However it's done, the manner is irrelevant, making communication is the point.

[rubato]

In the sciences, if you don't publish in English your work is shit.

yrs,
rubato

[thestoat]

In the sciences, if you don't publish in English your work is shit.

yrs,
rubato

What a stupid thing to say ... I really expected more you you, rubato. It may not be read by Americans, but that does not make it shit. There is a book, Perfume, that was originally written in German and then translated to English. Do you really think it was a shit book that was miraculously transformed into a good book as soon as it was translated? By extension, do you think people talk shit unless they talk English? Your statement is completely ludicrous ... I have worked in science and seen many very clever works in other languages. What a closed and small minded view you have.

[Crackpot]

You're just figuring this out?

[thestoat]

You're just figuring this out?

I'm learning

[rubato]

In the sciences, if you don't publish in English your work is shit.

yrs,
rubato

What a stupid thing to say ... I really expected more you you, rubato. It may not be read by Americans, but that does not make it shit. There is a book, Perfume, that was originally written in German and then translated to English. Do you really think it was a shit book that was miraculously transformed into a good book as soon as it was translated? By extension, do you think people talk shit unless they talk English? Your statement is completely ludicrous ... I have worked in science and seen many very clever works in other languages. What a closed and small minded view you have.

You apparently don't work in an area of scientific research. Those who do have accepted this as a commonplace decades ago.

On the whole, if a scientific paper is not published in English it will never amount to anything. This is simply a fact.

This is why a GERMAN chemistry journal Angewandt Chemie came out with an English-Language edition (the "International Edition") as of fifty years ago. The one common language of Science is English.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_literature
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Clear communication and impact factor
See also: Impact factor and Copy editing

Often, scientific advancement depends upon publishing in high-impact journals, which especially in hard and applied sciences are usually published in English. Consequently, scientists with poor English writing skills are at a disadvantage when trying to publish in these journals, regardless of the quality of the scientific study itself.[2] Yet many international universities require publication in these high-impact journals by both their students and faculty. One way that some international authors are beginning to overcome this problem is by contracting with freelance medical copy editors who are native speakers of English and specialize in ESL (English as a second language) editing to polish their manuscripts' English to a level that high-impact journals will accept. ... "
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yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

http://www.springer.com/authors/journal ... 2-837204-0
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Why publish in English?
Because English is the language scientists in different countries use to communicate with each other, publishing in English allows you to reach the broadest possible audience. This will help you achieve the goal that led you to publish in the first place: To add to our understanding of the world by informing other scientists about your research.
Of course, if English is not your first language, having to use it may add to the challenges of writing and publishing.
... "
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yrs,
rubato

[thestoat]

Rubato, I have worked in science and I do know that to get the widest possible audience you must publish in English, and thus most publications are in English. I don't disagree with that. But you said

In the sciences, if you don't publish in English your work is shit.

This is the statement of yours that I pointed out is stupid, closed and small minded. Your subsequent comments avoid this rather like lo's. Work is most definitely NOT shit just because it is not published in English. It might not reach the widest audience, but that does NOT make it shit. Can you see the difference?