The Anti-Science Party marches on ...

[loCAtek]

...in Africa, juss sayin'

[Scooter]

In the world. Which, I think, is where we all live.

[loCAtek]

Africa ain't indicative of the world we live in.

[Scooter]

What I stated is true of the world epidemic as a whole. I don't recall making any claims that were specific to Africa

[loCAtek]

As posted in the other thread, 68% of the world's HIV infected persons are found in Africa. It's predominately concentrated in Africa;



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[Scooter]

Yes, and Africa's numbers are part of the worldwide numbers, as are India's, Brazil's, Denmark's, Papua New Guinea's, Kazakhstan's, Antigua's, etc., etc. That's why they are worldwide numbers.

If there is a point you are trying to make, then please explain it to me as if I were a five year old, because it is eluding me.

[Gob]

Joined the "pissing into the wind" brigade again I see mate.

[Scooter]

I am just not understanding the connection between what she is saying and what I had posted, so I would like it clarified.

[Gob]

Ah, that's easily explained; you see you posted...

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And the best predictor of acquiring HIV - being a married woman.

Just sayin'.

Ok?

Now a normal person would reply..

Oh, do you have facts to back that up?

But when you post...

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And the best predictor of acquiring HIV - being a married woman.

Just sayin'.

Locatek translates that as and opportunity to reply..

Oooh! Ooh! If I post some annoying bullshit I'll get attention from people!!

There you go, I'm all heart me.

[Scooter]

Now a normal person would reply..

Oh, do you have facts to back that up?

Interesting that an AIDS denialist site should have synthesized the statistics from so many countries (their incredibly warped interpretation of the facts being completely beside the point) which show that in countries around the world - Mexico, Thailand, Cambodia, Papua New Guinea, India, as well as countries in Africa - HIV infections among married women outstrip all other groups. It is clearly a broad based phenomenon and most definitely not just a case of the huge HIV epidemic in Africa skewing the worldwide numbers, if indeed that is the point loCAtek was trying to make.

[loCAtek]

... but not the USA, which is not a third world country, as you are trying to portray it as. Which I've already posted the stats to, to support this...

[Scooter]

Ah, I see the problem. You have inexplicably misinterpreted my words to apply specifically to the U.S., when I have consistently and unmistakably referred to the worldwide situation. In that case there is nothing for you to argue against, because I made no assertions specific to the U.S.

[Scooter]

Did someone say something about third world countries?

A new bill would reverse the draconian policy of forbidding the distribution of condoms in federal correctional facilities, putting the U.S. in line with most European countries.

The legislation, called the Justice Act, was introduced by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) in August, and could help address a seemingly intractable problem: the spread of HIV during and after incarceration. “We can no longer afford to ignore the reality that sexually transmitted infections can be spread within our correctional system,” said Lee.

While an astounding 25 percent of the HIV-positive population passes through U.S. correctional facilities each year, just one percent of prisons and jails can legally distribute condoms.

Am I reading my calendar correctly, is it 2011, or have I been transported back to the Dark Ages, that we are still debating whether condoms are an effective disease prevention tool?

[rubato]

Dark Ages, back before we knew about the effectiveness of vaccination:

The new Republican anti-science dogma is anti-vaccination.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/09 ... pv-vaccine

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In a statement released late Tuesday, Dr. O. Marion Burton, the president of the group, said:

The American Academy of Pediatrics would like to correct false statements made in the Republican presidential campaign that HPV vaccine is dangerous and can cause mental retardation. There is absolutely no scientific validity to this statement. Since the vaccine has been introduced, more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the American Academy of Family Physicians all recommend that girls receive HPV vaccine around age 11 or 12. That's because this is the age at which the vaccine produces the best immune response in the body, and because it's important to protect girls well before the onset of sexual activity. In the U.S., about 6 million people, including teens, become infected with HPV each year, and 4,000 women die from cervical cancer. This is a life-saving vaccine that can protect girls from cervical cancer.
... "
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yrs,
rubato

[Scooter]

That Bachmann of all people should be throwing out accusations about mental retardation without realizing how easily they can boomerang right back to her

[loCAtek]

LOL @ Gob, told ya, ya wouldn't ignore me for long...

I disagree with this;

And the best predictor of acquiring HIV - being a married woman.

Just sayin'.

To be true, that would have to apply to all countries. You listed a few countries where the rates are increasing amongst married women, but where is the rest of the world data, if you are gong to call it the 'global' best?

The percentage of 76% of women infected with HIV in Africa means that distributed across the rest of the world, is the remaining 24%. Distribution of that figure makes the percentage even smaller per county, so how could such a small segment of the population, become the the best predictor?

I would think the best predictor of acquiring HIV - would be being a sex worker.

[Scooter]

double post

[BoSoxGal]

Scooter, we don't allow condoms in our prisons because there isn't any sex in our prisons - so handing out condoms would be a waste of resources.

If you were focused on the USA as everyone should be, you'd know this already. Please get with the program.

[Scooter]

To be true, that would have to apply to all countries

To be true it would have to apply to the total of all cases worldwide, which it does. To be true, it is not necessary that it be true of the cases in any particular country, in every country individually or to any subset of countries.

You listed a few countries where the rates are increasing amongst married women,

No, I posted a non-exhaustive list of several countries in which married women are the demographic group comprising the greatest number of HIV cases and which collectively contribute tens of millions of cases to the worldwide epidemic.

The percentage of 76% of women infected with HIV in Africa means that distributed across the rest of the world, is the remaining 24%. Distribution of that figure makes the percentage even smaller per county, so how could such a small segment of the population, become the the best predictor?

It is the best predictor of the worldwide epidemic. I said nothing about it being the best predictor of the epidemic in any particular country or countries.

I would think the best predictor of acquiring HIV - would be being a sex worker.

For that to be true in the way I referred to it, sex workers would have to outnumber every other demographic. If you mean something completely different when you say "best predictor", that is your prerogative, but in that case it bears no relationship to anything I have stated.

By "best predictor" worldwide, I mean that married women comprise the largest demographic among all persons who are HIV+ worldwide. That statement does not become false just because married women may not be the largest demographic among HIV cases in any particular country or countries.

[Grim Reaper]

Of course Michelle Bachmann continues the tried and true "lie loudly and backtrack softly" technique used by so many politicians nowadays.

That claim immediately drew a barrage of criticism from the medical profession and even from Bachmann sympathisers on the right, forcing her to backtrack slightly. She told a conservative talkshow: "I have no idea. I am not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a physician. All I was doing is reporting what this woman told me at the debate."