Is Obama crazy? Troops to Africa

[liberty]

We need to stay out of black Africa. Have we forgotten Somalia already. Our troops would have let themselves be killed to prove they are not racist. We can fight in north Africa because those people are Honkeys but not black Africa.

Out of Africa and stay out!!!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10 ... bel-group/

WASHINGTON -- President Obama is sending about 100 U.S. troops to central Africa to help local forces battle the Lord's Resistance Army, a rebel group that the administration says has waged a campaign of murder, rape and kidnapping for more than two decades.
Obama said Friday the troops will act as advisers in efforts to hunt down rebel leader Joseph Kony but will not engage in combat except in self-defense, according to a letter to Congress that was obtained by Fox News.
The White House says the first troops arrived in Uganda on Wednesday. Ultimately, they will also deploy in South Sudan, the Central African Republic and Congo.
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A senior administration official downplayed the notion that the armed troops could be drawn into a hostile, combat situation, saying the move was sparked by Congress passing a law year urging the administration to do something to crack down on the Lord's Resistance Army.
Long considered one of Africa's most brutal rebel groups, the Lord's Resistance Army began its attacks in Uganda more than 20 years ago but has been pushing westward.
The administration and human rights groups say its atrocities have left thousands dead and have put as many as 300,000 Africans to flight. They have charged the group with seizing children to bolster its ranks of soldiers and sometimes forcing them to become sex slaves.
Kony is wanted by the International Criminal Court under a 2005 warrant for crimes against humanity in his native Uganda.
Obama's announcement came in low-key fashion -- a letter to the leader of the House, Speaker John Boehner, in which he said the deployment "furthers U.S. national security interests and foreign policy and will be a significant contribution toward counter-LRA efforts in central Africa."
The deployment drew support from Sen. James Inhofe, a Republican who has visited the region.
"I have witnessed firsthand the devastation caused by the LRA, and this will help end Kony's heinous acts that have created a human rights crisis in Africa," he said in a statement. "I have been fervently involved in trying to prevent further abductions and murders of Ugandan children, and today's action offers hope that the end of the LRA is in sight."
But Obama's letter stressed the limited nature of the deployment.
"Our forces will provide information, advice and assistance to select partner nation forces," it said. "Although the U.S. forces are combat-equipped, they will ... not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense."
The troops deployed to central Africa will be mostly U.S. special operations forces. It's likely many of these forces will be Army Green Berets, one military official told Fox News, but it's unlikely that will be announced publicly.
Since 2008, the U.S. has provided $33 million to regional forces battling LRA, according to the Pentagon.
The Pentagon said the special operation forces are performing one of their core missions.
"Our intention is to provide the right balance of strategic and tactical experience to supplement host nation military efforts," the Pentagon said. "Ultimately, Africans are responsible for African security, but we remain committed to our partners to enable their efforts to provide for their own security."
Fox News' Ed Henry, Justin Fishel and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Lord Jim]

Our troops would have let themselves be killed to prove they are not racist.

Well Lib, that comment's a little silly...

But laying that aside, I have to say I find this decision both troubling and puzzling...

I'm troubled, because if we're going to start dispatching (especially publicly) military advisers to every country where there are guerrilla groups that engage in " a campaign of murder, rape and kidnapping" (let me make clear; I'm opposed to those things) we're going to have a very full plate indeed....

I'm puzzled, because up until the decision to take this move, (which really seems to be flying under the radar both in terms of press scrutiny and explanations from the Administration) It has seemed to me that for the most part, the Obama Administration has projected American military power in ways that could be logically tied to American security interests...

Which is of course, how we should focus our resources...

We can't right every single wrong in the world...

[Scooter]

The LRA isn't just another guerrilla group. They have been on a campaign to destabilize central Africa for over 25 years. Humanitarian issues aside (thousands killed, 66,000 children abducted to fight for them, millions displaced, etc.), it certainly won't be in the U.S.'s interests to allow them to succeed.

[rubato]

The mission in Somalia was successful. Millions of people were dying because the warlords were not allowing food to reach them. We sent in troops and secured supply lines and saved their lives.

There were casualties, but it was a military mission and casualties were not unexpected.

The "Lords Resistance Army" are a cancer on the earth and sending in troops to help wipe them out is a good thing just as the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and wiping out the Khmer Rouge was a good thing .

yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

Our troops would have let themselves be killed to prove they are not racist.

Well Lib, that comment's a little silly...

..

Well Jim, you don’t remember when US soldiers were baby burners and the US a fascist police state?

Reason that history repeats it self’s is because people don’t listen.

[liberty]

The mission in Somalia was successful. Millions of people were dying because the warlords were not allowing food to reach them. We sent in troops and secured supply lines and saved their lives.

There were casualties, but it was a military mission and casualties were not unexpected.

The "Lords Resistance Army" are a cancer on the earth and sending in troops to help wipe them out is a good thing just as the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and wiping out the Khmer Rouge was a good thing .

yrs,
rubato

The murdering Vietnamese communist bastards were motivated only by a desire to make the world a better place! What was it that Cambodian communist did that the Vietnamese communist did not do on a smaller scale?

[Scooter]

So your argument is that because they are black, they are not worth risking American lives to save?

[Long Run]

I'd give the benefit of the doubt to the Administration on this one. As he showed in Libya, Obama is willing to engage at an appropriate level, without there being an "all-in" commitment. If, with limited assistance, we can help turn the tide against these murderers, it will be a good use of our military expertise and strength.

[liberty]

So your argument is that because they are black, they are not worth risking American lives to save?

No and you know it. My point is we can’t win if it should escalate into a major struggle. American blacks would support their African brothers. They would not see the atrocities the LRA has committed; they would see honkies murdering heroic black men in Africa in the same way liberals saw US soldiers burning yellow people in Vietnam. Remember the phoenix program?

[rubato]

The mission in Somalia was successful. Millions of people were dying because the warlords were not allowing food to reach them. We sent in troops and secured supply lines and saved their lives.

There were casualties, but it was a military mission and casualties were not unexpected.

The "Lords Resistance Army" are a cancer on the earth and sending in troops to help wipe them out is a good thing just as the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and wiping out the Khmer Rouge was a good thing .

yrs,
rubato

The murdering Vietnamese communist bastards were motivated only by a desire to make the world a better place! What was it that Cambodian communist did that the Vietnamese communist did not do on a smaller scale?

In Vietnam we were on the wrong side. As history has proven.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

So your argument is that because they are black, they are not worth risking American lives to save?

No and you know it. My point is we can’t win if it should escalate into a major struggle. American blacks would support their African brothers. They would not see the atrocities the LRA has committed; they would see honkies murdering heroic black men in Africa in the same way liberals saw US soldiers burning yellow people in Vietnam. Remember the phoenix program?

An astonishingly stupid and racist statement.

yrs,
rubato

[Scooter]

It's funny how, every time you give him enough rope, he proves he is capable of hanging himself.

[liberty]

So your argument is that because they are black, they are not worth risking American lives to save?

No and you know it. My point is we can’t win if it should escalate into a major struggle. American blacks would support their African brothers. They would not see the atrocities the LRA has committed; they would see honkies murdering heroic black men in Africa in the same way liberals saw US soldiers burning yellow people in Vietnam. Remember the phoenix program?

An astonishingly stupid and racist statement.

yrs,
rubato

The truth is racist? That old charge is worn out and has lost its power. It just does not control like it once did. It is the same thing that would be used against American troops as they fought for their lives in Africa.

[Scooter]

[liberty]

The mission in Somalia was successful. Millions of people were dying because the warlords were not allowing food to reach them. We sent in troops and secured supply lines and saved their lives.

There were casualties, but it was a military mission and casualties were not unexpected.

The "Lords Resistance Army" are a cancer on the earth and sending in troops to help wipe them out is a good thing just as the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and wiping out the Khmer Rouge was a good thing .

yrs,
rubato

The murdering Vietnamese communist bastards were motivated only by a desire to make the world a better place! What was it that Cambodian communist did that the Vietnamese communist did not do on a smaller scale?

In Vietnam we were on the wrong side. As history has proven.

yrs,
rubato

Well, we see where your values lie; freedom is the wrong side of history. If Hitler had won WWII would we have been on the wrong side of history there?

[Scooter]

You think the South Vietnamese were "free"? That they had a government of their own choosing? You do realize that the South was ruled by military dictatorship for much of its existence, and that any "elections" that were held were completely rigged.

[dales]

Lib is not old enough to remember the SE Asia conflict in any detail.

[Scooter]

Neither am I, if truth be told, but I learned how to open a book, regardless. I can pretty clearly remember news reports of the fall of Hué, Da Nang and Saigon, during the final offensive, but pretty much anything else I had to read. I guess that's what puts the village idiot at a disadvantage.

Let's not forget that in his version of history, Canada sided with the North Vietnamese.

[rubato]

No and you know it. My point is we can’t win if it should escalate into a major struggle. American blacks would support their African brothers. They would not see the atrocities the LRA has committed; they would see honkies murdering heroic black men in Africa in the same way liberals saw US soldiers burning yellow people in Vietnam. Remember the phoenix program?

An astonishingly stupid and racist statement.

yrs,
rubato

The truth is racist? That old charge is worn out and has lost its power. It just does not control like it once did. It is the same thing that would be used against American troops as they fought for their lives in Africa.

Why would American blacks identify with the LRA and not their victims, who are also Africans?

The assertion that Blacks will identify with and support other blacks no matter what any of the other facts are is an explicitly racist assertion.


yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

"...

Well, we see where your values lie; freedom is the wrong side of history. If Hitler had won WWII would we have been on the wrong side of history there?

At the end of WWII the Vietnamese, who had been our allies against the Japanese fighting and dying for our side, asked for independence. They asked that we not give them back as a colony to France. The French had been very cruel masters ruthlessly exploiting the Vietnamese rather like Qaddafy treated his subjects.

We backed the wrong side and helped the French to re-occupy Vietnam. We were on the wrong side and stayed on the wrong side until we left.

You appear to know almost nothing about history. You don't actually vote do you?

yrs,
rubato