Sucking off the government tit is not "real-world" economics. No wonder you're delusional.liberty1 wrote:"... governmental institutions (NASA, USAF, USN). I have managed FFP, CPFF and CPAF contracts including EVMS management systems. So yes I do know a few things about business economics. But the basics are simple.
Profit at the expense of people is what they're protesting about, not profits in general.liberty1 wrote:People in the OWS movement have. That picture above implies that, but in fact making profits is putting people first.
Managing a contract is not the same as "economics." Had you taken Econ 101, you might know that.liberty1 wrote:I never took Econ 101, but I did take Engineering Economics and have proposed,designed, executed and managed complex space electronics programs for 28 years, for both commercial companies and governmental institutions (NASA, USAF, USN). I have managed FFP, CPFF and CPAF contracts including EVMS management systems. So yes I do know a few things about business economics.
Sure, that's why there's a Nobel Prize in economics, because it's all so simple.liberty1 wrote: But the basics are simple.
What a total ignorant tool.Sucking off the government tit is not "real-world" economics. No wonder you're delusional.
I'm not even sure what that means, I doubt you do either. Sounds like good propaganda though.Profit at the expense of people is what they're protesting about, not profits in general.
Agreed, so what is the government not enforcing that you are so pissed about.There's a reason we've had to enact so many laws to restrict businesses, because they've shown repeatedly that they won't hesitate to stomp over people to earn more money. Otherwise we wouldn't need things like child labor laws, the EPA, or OSHA to keep things from getting out of hand again
You don't need to understand an economics system to understand the basics of capitalism, which as you know is what I was talking about.Managing a contract is not the same as "economics." Had you taken Econ 101, you might know that
You don't get a nobel prize for understanding the basics of capitalism.Sure, that's why there's a Nobel Prize in economics, because it's all so simple
How generous of you to tell me what I know. Try again sparky.liberty1 wrote:I'm not even sure what that means, I doubt you do either. Sounds like good propaganda though.
Sigh. Try to keep up a little bit. You keep resetting to "herp derp" after dozens of attempts to tell you why so many people are pissed off.liberty1 wrote:Agreed, so what is the government not enforcing that you are so pissed about.
liberty1 wrote:"...
You don't get a nobel prize for understanding the basics of capitalism.
But perhaps is should be a pre-requisite, Paul Krugman comes to mind.
More:Occupy Oakland demonstration has taken ugly turn
Chip Johnson, Chronicle Columnist
Friday, October 21, 2011
The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations that began in New York City a little more than a month ago as a public reprisal of corporate greed, government bailouts and shrinking social programs have been co-opted in Oakland by young activists and scores of homeless denizens.
As in many U.S. cities, the Oakland movement has been altered to embrace local issues as well as the overarching reason the protests began in the first place. Finding a displaced worker among the Occupy Oakland crowd is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
There were unemployed workers in the camp in larger numbers until violence broke out earlier in the week, said Thomas, 32, a protester who would give only his first name.
"Things have changed dramatically this week, and many of the people who were here left because of the violence and fighting," he said.
Thomas joined the demonstration, which began Oct. 10, because he has been living in a shelter in downtown Oakland for the past eight months. He is an East Oakland native who lost his job at Safeway in 2010 and is now estranged from his wife and their three children.
"I think this (protest) is about a lot of things: social change, national politics and the city's political structure," he said.
But for others, the tent city is a party scene with wooden-pallet sidewalks, a first-aid tent, a T-shirt maker, booze, weed and whatever. [Jeepers...color me shocked....]
One bespectacled young man who would not identify himself said he'd just come across the bay from the demonstration in San Francisco, where authorities have refused to allow protesters to maintain a camp at Justin Herman Plaza.
"They tried to move us," he said. "That's why I came here. I'm irritated with the SFPD. In fact, I'm irritated with that whole city."
In Oakland, protesters have pretty much had their way on most issues, and when they've pushed, the city has so far failed to push back.
In the last couple of nights, about two dozen protesters occupied Snow Park, a small community park across the street from Lake Merritt.
Oakland police ordered them to move on Wednesday night, but on Thursday afternoon there were still a half-dozen tents standing.
Several protesters, including Zachary RunningWolf, a Berkeley activist and former mayoral candidate, said they have no plans to leave the Oakland plaza - ever.
In 2006, RunningWolf was one of the protesters who occupied a grove of oak trees that UC Berkeley planned to chop down to make way for construction of a new athletic center.
Another activist, a 23-year-old woman who called herself Stella, described herself as one of the event organizers.
"My point is that things aren't going well for a lot of people," she said. "That's why so many people have jumped on this movement worldwide."
In Oakland, some demonstrators are protesting what they say is a "war on youth" being waged by city officials who support curfews, gang injunctions and other public safety measures, she added.
Just in case you missed it, that war is all but over and there is little chance those measures will ever be adopted.
But even as some folks have gathered to prevent what they believe are wrongheaded notions to actually police Oakland, they have also undertaken security measures inside the camp to maintain the peace.
Young men, some with phones clipped to their lapels, and others with large sticks act as security guards in a scene that resembles an updated version of "Lord of the Flies."
City officials have observed some of them practicing in the yard with long sticks, either honing their "security" skills - or perhaps preparing for an inevitable confrontation with police.
Oakland city officials are still taking a day-to-day approach to the demonstration.
"We're monitoring the situation, and there has been a change in the vibe," said Karen Boyd, a city spokeswoman. "They were cooperative at first, but there's been a shift in the level of cooperation - and we're concerned."
They should be.
If anyone wants to see the new power in Oakland, just look at the incredible production of media driven by the amazing activity of protestors involved in the Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall Street movement.
While mainstream media reporters unfairly focus on the actions of a few Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall Street people, what they miss – as usual – is the rise of Oakland’s new young political demographic. It’s generally between 21 and 31, more white, but well-mixed, college educated, and a fascinating mix of the liberal and libertarian at the same time. Obama supporters who can stand Ron Paul, mixed with Ron Paul supporters who can stand President Obama.
What all of these activist have in common is the idea that something is very wrong with the World, and this is their chance to be known and seen. That was evident when Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall St. took over the Chase Bank on Lakeshore Avenue near Lake Merritt.
And Oakland, from elected officials, to older hands, to just plain observers like this blogger, finds it all fascinating.
This group has been in formation for the last 10 years. A combination of the growth of a group of people who weren’t as contaminated with the “isms” of the past, coupled with the rise of digital communications, high housing costs in San Francisco, and a dramatic decrease in the institutional investor racism that’s harmed Oakland’s economic development, gave rise to this new demographic.
The first wave of this group voted for Barack Obama for President, and cheered when he won. Now, it’s joined by a second wave that’s impatient for change and at a time of what is arguably the largest class-culture war in this country’s history. They rightly fear for their future, and ours, and have taken to the streets to fight for it.
Frankly, Oakland officials have handled this well. There is a way to work with Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall Street without bloodshed or violence.
Personally, I’m confident Mayor Quan, an activist herself, will find it.
Mayor Quan, please prove me right!
dales wrote:OWS in Oakland could become ugly.
Too bad that a few anarchists and life-long sh!t disturbers attmpt to co-op what should be a peaceful event.
Here's another take:
http://blog.sfgate.com/abraham/2011/10/ ... entlistpos
If anyone wants to see the new power in Oakland, just look at the incredible production of media driven by the amazing activity of protestors involved in the Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall Street movement.
While mainstream media reporters unfairly focus on the actions of a few Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall Street people, what they miss – as usual – is the rise of Oakland’s new young political demographic. It’s generally between 21 and 31, more white, but well-mixed, college educated, and a fascinating mix of the liberal and libertarian at the same time. Obama supporters who can stand Ron Paul, mixed with Ron Paul supporters who can stand President Obama.
What all of these activist have in common is the idea that something is very wrong with the World, and this is their chance to be known and seen. That was evident when Occupy Oakland / Occupy Wall St. took over the Chase Bank on Lakeshore Avenue near Lake Merritt.[/b]
Clergy march through S.F. to back Occupy movement
Kevin Fagan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2011
(10-24) 12:31 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Northern California clergy joined the Occupy movement this morning in a march that snaked through San Francisco's Financial District.
About 200 supporters of the Occupy movement marched down Market Street, singing religious songs and waving banners, including some reading, "Forgive us our debts."
The march, which began in Justin Herman Plaza at about 10:30 a.m., made its way to Mission Street and up toward midtown, decrying the split between the rich and the poor.
Marchers handed out flyers urging the Bay Area's religious leaders to join in solidarity with the Occupy SF movement.
Four protesters carried an elaborately-made golden calf on a stretcher on their shoulders, a sign on the side of the stretcher reading, "Fiscal Idolatry."
The faiths represented at the march ran the gamut from Muslim and Buddhist to Jewish and Christian. There were 25 congregations from as far away as Angels Camp (Calaveras County).
Pastor Donna Allen of the New Revelation Community Church in Oakland said she had helped organize the march after being impressed by the Occupy movements throughout the Bay Area.
"We are speaking for the middle class and the poor," she said. "We are their lobbyists. We don't have fancy offices - we have churches and synagogues."
The marchers were generally middle-aged, in contrast to the younger crowd occupying Justin Herman Plaza as part of the Occupy SF camp. Many said they came out to give a broader demographic to the national Occupy movement against corporate greed and economic inequality.
"I live in Danville, I'm a recently retired school psychologist, and I thought it was very important to give my voice to this," said Steve Smith, 57. "There's a lot of clergy here, but there's a lot of people like me, too."
The marchers stopped to give speeches on bullhorns at several large banks, including the JP Morgan Chase office building on Mission Street and the former Bank of America center on California Street.
They were greeted with honks of support from cars all along the route, and the occasional heckler.
"Dressing up and marching is all well and fun, but the only thing that matters is getting people to vote on this," said a heckling woman, dressed in a business pantsuit on Mission Street.
Several police officers casually monitored the marchers as they made their way through the streets, sticking mostly to the sidewalks and keeping out of traffic.
E-mail Kevin Fagan at kfagan@sfchronicle.com.
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You are always free to send in whatever you need to ease your consceince.Actually, Perry's tax plan WOULD make me richer. And that sickens me.
Who was it that said they weren't demonizing profits and capitalism
Remember when I said in a post that the only thing missing was the guillatine, I was more correct than I ever thought.
And this isn't about Socialism and Communism, think again.
Great, workshops on both in Marxism 101 and anarchism. Being mutually exclusive philosophies doesn't matter -- as long as they're both devoted to destroying capitalism, we can work out the details later in a brutal post-revolution civil war
Dales.....is that you?
Have you ever been anywhere where signs like this were necessary, I haven't.
That's not very multicultural
So now you're for segregation?
Even more segregation, horrors
