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quaddriver wrote:
so I was right? you do not hunt, you do not shoot, and you have never seen an elk outside of zoo or tv. Would it not have been easier just to admit it?
I do not hunt now, no. What special power does having seen an animal give a person?
quaddriver wrote: when montana gets the same population density of PA, the animals will react the same. actually thats not true, whitetails behave the same regardless. non-acclimated elk behave differently. but they lose that rather quickly.

Ps: they are NOT really hard to hunt. they are goddamned animals with poor marksmanship. the problem , with all animals is that they are not being thinned where we need them thinned.
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Gob wrote: What special power does having seen an animal give a person?
Apparently you are not allowed an opinion unless they are roaming through your backyard.

Same applies to squirrels... :lol:
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Apparently you are not allowed an opinion unless they are roaming through your backyard.
That's going to make discussions about dinosaurs a bit problematic....
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the problem , with all animals is that they are not being thinned where we need them thinned.
Little Rock (I don't live there so I don't know if they still have it) had a bow season for Whitetail within the city limits.

They were becoming a very large problem...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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Sean wrote:
Gob wrote: What special power does having seen an animal give a person?
Apparently you are not allowed an opinion unless they are roaming through your backyard.

Same applies to squirrels... :lol:

Well, watching one YouTube video, doesn't make you an expert on the subject either. :roll:

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Gob wrote:Fair comment Long Run, though I would argue for state employed marksmen to cull the weaker specimens and not wholesale slaughter by anyone with a gun permit.
That's why there are hunting seasons and required licenses, that carry a 'bag limit'.

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I have to draw for a license. This means I apply for a license for the hunt/weapon I want to get in April, in June the Game & Fish dept draws for the number of tags available, and the hunts are in the fall. Each state divides up hunt areas and defines how many tags are available for that area a year in advance. You may <10% chance of getting drawn for a particular popular area on any given year. Less popular areas are generally easier, some areas you have a 60 to 70% chance to get drawn, but generally less of a chance to get anything.

I generally apply for hunts in New Mexico and Colorado so I have a better chance of getting drawn, but it can get expensive. The particular hunt you apply for defines what you may shoot, Bull, Cow, Mature Bull, etc. And you are only allowed to apply for 1 hunt per game type.

So Gob, it is extremely well controlled and regulated.
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Oh Lib, could you educate Gob on the state employed marksmen used in our National Parks too?

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liberty1 wrote:I have to draw for a license.
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Yep that's how we control the redneck population
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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HA-larious!!! :D

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Isn't the Australian kangaroo population controlled in some similar manner? (licensing, not cartooning)

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Yes it is mate.
Whilst the sustainability of pastoral activities in much of the Australian arid rangelands is under constant investigation, the fact remains that they are currently supporting a large population of kangaroos which, if uncontrolled, would seriously threaten the economic viability of the pastoral industry and the environmental sustainability of huge tracks of land (Caughley 1998). These are extremely fragile areas which can support a limited number of grazing animals. Allowing the grazing pressure from all animals to increase is one of the most serious environmental hazards in the rangelands. The kangaroo Management Plan is the only tool currently available to exercise control over the kangaroo contribution to grazing pressure.

Furthermore, the kangaroo population represents a resource. There is extensive ethical debate concerning the morality of utilising wildlife as a resource. This debate however, rarely examines the moral imperative for nations to utilise their resources to the best effect in supplying the world with the food and commodities it needs.

Over the past 40 years a significant industry has developed which utilises the kangaroo resource. Initially its focus was largely on pest control for the pastoral industries. However over the last decade there has been a growing realisation that the kangaroo industry has significant economic and environmental benefits.

In order to purchase the tags issued by the Authorities an individual must be licensed as a kangaroo harvester. To do so they must undergo training delivered by government accredited agencies and approved by the Australian TAFE (Tertiary and Further Education) agency in the appropriate State. This training covers the regulatory controls and compliance requirements, the animal welfare controls and the hygiene controls each harvester must adhere to. They must then pass assessment in their knowledge and practices relating to these controls by two separate Government Departments. This will include assessment of their competency with their firearm. Then and only then will they be able to obtain the required licenses from the two Authorities concerned.

It is a condition of every kangaroo harvesters license that he adhere to the strict guidelines laid out in the Federal Government document ‘Code of Practice for the Humane Shooting of Kangaroos’. This specifies the minimum high caliber firearms which can be used, it requires that all animals be head shot and documents procedures for the humane dispatch of any pouch young (CNCM 1990). In NSW for example adherence to this Code represents condition one of the licenses which are issued under the National Parks and Wildlife Act - section 123 (NPWS 2001).

Any kangaroo or kangaroo product accepted by processors, be it for meat or skins, must have an approved tag applied to it and be supplied by a licensed harvester. Each processor must report on a monthly basis to the State Authority the numbers of kangaroos purchased, who from and the relevant tags numbers.

The kangaroo industry currently generates in excess of $270 million per year in income and employs over 4,000 people. The vast bulk of these jobs are in remote rural communities, many of which would not exist without the industry.
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bigskygal wrote:Yeah, 'range tag' is my vehicle tag allowing me access to the shooting range - I'm now a member of the local pistol & rifle club.

I ran through a few clips the other day; once I got used to the kick (damn, a lot of kick on such a light little weapon!) I did a great job clustering my shots at the center of mass. (Springfield! :lol: ) It's not a fun gun to shoot for any length of time and is not a target gun, but I plan to hit the range once a month to keep comfortable with using it, in case I ever need to.
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh at the thought of a .380 having "a lot of kick". Being a lightweight, it will have more than the same caliber in a heavier pistol, but any .380, even the little Walther PPK I fired, has minimal recoil. (In perspective, my preferred pistol is a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum. My uncle's carry gun is a huge Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull.)
As to why I got the gun; I had a seriously mentally ill client with a history of sexual assault and other violent crime who became obsessed with me when I was working at the public defender's office. It woke me up to the risks in my profession, and in living in a society with sociopaths, psychopaths, et. al amongst us decent, law-abiding folks.

I'm a single woman living alone; my dog provides a pretty good early warning system, but if someone really wanted to hurt me, she wouldn't provide much defense pending arrival of law enforcement - assuming I was able to dial 911. My community is so small that it would be the easiest thing in the world for a determined defendant to locate my residence. And yes, there are huge wide open spaces between here and there in the West - I like camping/hiking by myself, and have read a few too many stories about women on their own on the road or in the wilderness falling victim to sick, violent men.

Also, a few months back an old colleague of mine in Yuma was gunned down in his office on his last day prior to retirement, by the husband of a former divorce client. He was a sitting duck, not having a weapon in his possession.
Considered something for home...namely, a shotgun?
The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to bear arms, and in Montana, my right to defend myself in the face of imminent threat of harm is pretty nearly absolute - both within and outside of my home.

So, why not?

Next up, I'll be investing in a good elk gun and starting to practice with it. I once qualified as US Army sharpshooter (in my JROTC days); though my vision is no longer quite so perfect, I expect I'll do well. I'll be applying for an elk tag in the spring, for next year's hunt. I'd like to get into target shooting on a regular basis, apart from hunting. It's a great release of tension, whilst also feeding my perfectionistic tendencies.

Yee-haw!
That's no serious hindrance...my uncle was just short of legally blind and wore Coke-bottle glasses until LASIK about ten years ago.

For a REAL challenge, try shooting 2" wooden blocks out of the air. It's not as hard as it sounds. (It's actually MUCH harder!)

For a holster, what will you use? Liz uses a shoulder rig...she had a problem with fit & wound up getting one custom-made. In her words, after trying a dozen that didn't fit, "Whoever designed these did not have breasts." (Making things harder, she is left-handed.) My uncle carries his Ruger (and carried the Model 29 he gave me) in a Maqui rig.
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Gob wrote:Still no excuse for gunning down beautiful wild creatures from a safe distance with powerful guns.

(Me and BSG and others are going to have to agree to disagree on this, I think)
Spoken like someone who hasn't seen the coyotes and deer that are overrunning this area! The coyotes are especially a menace.
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Jarl,

Try reading my post again. A shotgun isn't any good for concealed carry. I know all the arguments for keeping one for home protection - I read gun enthusiast magazines & forums, too. I only want to buy one gun at present, so a handgun it is.

And my apologies for not explaining the recoil effect satisfactorily for you; of course it's a little gun and no, it wasn't at all difficult for me to handle. It's not very accurate at any distance, is my point, because it's very light - that's what I meant by kick, not that it knocked me on my ass or anything.

My father had a whole collection of shotguns, rifles & handguns and I had no trouble with managing the recoil of far larger caliber weapons as a teenaged girl. Ever shot a 500? I have. Stayed on my two feet just fine.

I can also take apart an M16, clean it and put it back together in short order. Can you?

Can the sexism, please. Lots of girls know how to use guns. ;)
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380 or not, a small caliber can feel the same as a larger one, it totally depends on the mass (not center) and action of the gun in question as well as the ammo.


And speaking of coyotes, I literally just put up an electric fence yesterday to keep them out of my backyard. My two silkies probably wouldn't fair too well and seeing as we have a dog door, really don't want them to come visiting inside either.
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Jarlaxle wrote:...

For a holster, what will you use? Liz uses a shoulder rig...she had a problem with fit & wound up getting one custom-made. In her words, after trying a dozen that didn't fit, "Whoever designed these did not have breasts."
I feel the same way about body armor...


Well, they do make these cool, concealed carry, purses too
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Me, I like the fanny packs... not that I carry illegally, of course, nope, nope.

Unfortunately, they're kinda going out of style.

Time to hit your local Gun Show BSG, and start accessorizing!

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I bought the Ruger used from an Army veteran friend. It comes with two spare magazines, a carrycase, a box of ammo and a nice little holster, for carrying concealed. The holster is designed to be worn inside the front or back of the pants. Like my boss does, however, I'll mostly be carrying it in my purse - I'll use the holster when I'm hiking, etc.
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