Would he better off with a caning as punishment?

[liberty]

No. You would never plan for your kid to be caught with drugs in Bali.

I agree, assuming the parents are normal.

[rubato]

THE family of the 14-year-old boy on drug charges in Bali has sealed a six-figure deal with Nine Entertainment to tell the story of his arrest and trial.

Sources told The Sun-Herald last night that the deal, worth between $200,000 and $300,000, includes coverage across 60 Minutes, Nine News, and Nine Entertainment's ACP magazines. Nine's managing director, Jeffrey Browne, finalised the deal and it was signed off by the chief executive, David Gyngell. A source confirmed a 60 Minutes team may fly to Bali on Wednesday to film some colour for an interview with the boy and his family – in anticipation that he will be released on Friday.

The celebrity publicist Grant Vandenberg managed the deal, that was signed on Thursday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... z1csmQhief

This is fucking sick.

Driven entirely by the kind of obsessive interest of which is thread is proof.

yrs,
rubato

[loCAtek]

No such thing as a cannabis "addict" though, is there?

Narcotics anonymous would disagree.

Marijuana Anonymous Overview

Marijuana Anonymous was formed in 1989 by members of Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous who felt that the issue of addiction to marijuana wasn't being taken seriously. They decided to start their own group to help fellow addicts get and stay clean.

[Andrew D]

Gee, people who make money providing "treatment" for "addiction" claim that there's such a thing as cannabis addiction. I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! Shocked!

[loCAtek]

Huh? While there are for-profit treatment programs on that page; Marijuana, Narcotics and Alcoholics Anonymous are free programs.

[Andrew D]

"Free" for the participants, maybe.

And if so, worth every penny.

The success rates of AA and NA and all the other "As" are so abysmal that if they were in some fashion regulated, they would be banned.

AA is to alcoholism as snake oil is to lumbago.

[dales]

As usual, Andrew speaks NOT from experience but from deap-seated prejudices against the 12-step model.

[Rick]

AA never helped me, the guy that kept insisting he was my sponsor really freaked me out.

Like all things that I have quit in my life when I was resolved to do so I did...

[loCAtek]

"Free" for the participants, maybe.

And if so, worth every penny.

The success rates of AA and NA and all the other "As" are so abysmal that if they were in some fashion regulated, they would be banned.

AA is to alcoholism as snake oil is to lumbago.

What those programs are treating isn't curable so yes, in that sense there is a low 'success' rate. While I have had a friend who was addicted to Marijuana and found the NA sessions helpful in controlling her addiction, I appreciate your pointing out that AA isn't helpful for everyone.
Recidivism rates are fairly consistent across whichever treatment a person choices to adopt; which is why there are so many choices available. No one's recovery is the same, you just have to find what works for you.

[Crackpot]

I never thought sexual Harassment would be an effective punishment.

[Andrew D]

The twelve-step model is a model of dismal failure.

Look up how successful it has been.

Or don't.

[Andrew D]

Of course some programs work for some people.

Voodoo works for some people.

The bottom line, however, is that for most people, twelve-step programs are about as worthwhile as ... well ... not having bothered to do anything at all.

[Lord Jim]

AA is to alcoholism as snake oil is to lumbago.

What a profoundly ignorant thing to say....

So the millions of people who believed they were helped by AA, were just fooling themselves I guess...

Of course, no solution to any problem works for everyone....

Rational, mature people understand things like that...

As has long been his fashion, Andrew mistakes his opinions, drawn from his own anecdotal experiences, for universally true established facts.....

The lad has learned nothing...

I have definitely made the right call in continuing to not waste my time reading his posts...

[Andrew D]

So much for the lie that Little Jimmy was ignoring me.

He was always paying close attention to everything that I posted. He was trying to learn something. He failed.

The success rate of twelve-step programs is abysmal. Everyone who has looked at them knows that.

But when it comes to the profundity of ignorance, no one can take a back seat to Lord My Whole Life Is One Big Lie And I'm Proud Of It Jim.

The perfect summation of Little Jimmy's pathetic excuse for a life:

As has long been his fashion, [Lord I Was Bred To Suck The Shithole Of Tyranny Before I Even Defiled This Planet By Being Born On It Jim ] mistakes his opinions, drawn from his own anecdotal experiences, for universally true established facts.....

The lad has learned nothing...

Every time that he has ben stupid enough to challenge me on a substantive matter, he has been squashed.

Every time.

And he knows it.

That's why he pretends to have me on "ignore": He's a coward.

Don't take my word for it. Ask the people who know him in real life.

There is nothing that he fears more than substance.

Nothing.

He lives his whole "life" cowering.

If he ever decides to engage me in any substantive way, he remains welcome to do so.

But he won't.

He'll just keep worming his tongue ever deeper into the Reagan rectum. And earning the well-deserved contempt of all the people who know him in the real world.

[Scooter]

The line he quoted was already quoted in someone else's post, and attributed to you. Having you on ignore would not have prevented him from seeing it.

[Andrew D]

He is careful that way. In his slimy little way.

But if you really want the truth of things, look up his comment about my having congratulated keld fefldspar. (At least, I think it was keld feldspar; the congratulating bit should be enough to work with.)

Anyway, his individual puerilities are merely asides.

Look to the substance.

What of substance did he ever post about, say, prosecutors?

Nothing.

What of substance did he ever post about, say, John Yoo?

Nothing.

We could go on and on.

Need we bother?

[BoSoxGal]

It's my understanding that the longterm success rate of most contemporary approaches to addiction is abysmal. Why pick on AA? At least it's free, and many folks find comfort in it.

[Lord Jim]

It's my understanding that the longterm success rate of most contemporary approaches to addiction is abysmal. Why pick on AA? At least it's free, and many folks find comfort in it.

Well, it seems to me the explanation for that is pretty obvious...

Most people who are struggling with addiction are not ready to stop...So of course there's going to be a huge failure rate, regardless of what approach is used....

I'm sure AA is not for everyone, but I can tell you from personal experience that I know at least two people, (one of my closest friends from High School and College ...an attorney, btw... and a former girl friend that I'm still friends with) who had their lives completely turned around by their involvement with AA... I know this for a fact because I saw it happen...

You know, life is short; and it seems to me that whatever anyone can draw solace or confidence or comfort from, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, is all to the good...

I see no value in sneering derisively and dismissively at the paths others have chosen to try and make their lives better, and to feel better about themselves....you see this kind of thing frequently from people who are bitter (and jealous) because it didn't work for them....

That sort of blanket, unthinking derision and condemnation, in my opinion, is really a hallmark of insecurity, more than anything else....(and immaturity as well)

"It didn't work for me, so it's all bogus and wont help anybody!"

A very childish attitude....

[rubato]

I know people who have gone through NA and AA and it put their lives back together. Very successful.

yrs,
rubato

[The Hen]

and back to the OP ....

THE NSW teenager locked up in a Bali jail is likely to spend Christmas behind bars after his hopes for a swift release were dashed yesterday.

Bali boy could be sentenced today

Sources within the Jakarta Attorney-General's office revealed the 14-year-old boy's case went "pear-shaped" once it became known his parents had engaged an agent to shop around for a highly-paid media deal, The Daily Telegraph reported.

Chief prosecutor Gusti Gede Putu Atmaja told the judge the boy should be found guilty on all three drug charges, and requested he be sentenced to three months in jail under the tough Article 127 of the Indonesian Narcotics Law.

Until news of a possible paid deal surfaced, the source said there was an amicable agreement to treat the teenager with leniency and fast-track his return home to Australia.


The teenager pictured in court as prosecutors in Denpasar called for him to be jailed. Picture: Johannes P. Christo
The boy was to be released at the end of yesterday's court session and ordered to return to Australia for rehabilitation, under the supervision of his parents. He was due back at school next week.

But last weekend it was revealed the teen's parents had engaged media agent Grant Vandenberg to act on their behalf. Mr Vandenberg confirmed he had spoken with the Nine Network as recently as last Saturday, but denied a deal had been signed.

The source said that the parents even had talks with TV stations about a paid interview was a considerable insult to Indonesian authorities.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/cent ... z1dQpulmF6

Quelle surprise.