Free jailhouse tatts

[Scooter]

Not quite the cost so far, is much greater than you tried to lead us to believe;

Would you rather pay $50 for a prisoners tattoo or $25,000 a year for the rest his life for AIDS meds?

The Canadian Taxpayer's Federation cited the $700,000 program in its annual "Teddy's Awards" for government waste.

I read the report on the pilot, and you didn't.

Besides which, the $700,000 included the cost of doing the research to determine the effectivess of the pilot (one researcher based at each prison, for starters), which of course would not be ongoing costs once the program was established, plus setup up costs such as purchases of equipment that would have lasted for years if the program had been implemented. Completely apples and oranges.

Also, the UCCO are one the groups that will determine if you will have a needle exchange program;

Canada is also looking into whether to hand out clean needles to injection-drug using inmates. CSC and PHAC have signed an agreement to analyze the risks and benefits of a prison-based needle exchange program. Officials from the two agencies, along with representatives from the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers and the Professional Institute of Public Service, traveled to Germany and Spain in September to look at such programs there.

So being invited to observe similar programs in other countries = being the ones who decide whether it will happen here?

You're obviously so shitfaced tonight that you have lost the ability to read your own sources. No point in continuing.

[loCAtek]

So being invited to observe similar programs in other countries = being the ones who decide whether it will happen here?

Yes LOL

Although the utility of needle exchange as a harm reduction measure is supported by Canada’s Drug Strategy as a way to slow the spread of HIV that “in no way (leads) to an increase in drug use”88, needle exchange in prison is troubling to many. For some, the idea of providing the equipment necessary to engage in illegal activity within correctional institutions is fundamentally at odds with a mandate to prohibit and reform criminal behaviour. The Commissioner of the Correctional Service of Canada CSC recently recognized the Services’s obligation to make harm reduction measures available that are in keeping with community health standards.89 However, concerned that a needle exchange program might compromise its zero-tolerance policy, increase drug use and threaten institutional safety,90 the Correctional Service of Canada has not to date taken steps to implement a pilot needle exchange program.

Canadian Human Rights Commission Last Updated: 2011-09-16

Uniformed Correctional Officers employed by CSC are unionized with and supported by the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers (UCCO)

[Scooter]

Proving once again she is too shitfaced to read her own sources properly.

[loCAtek]

Canada is also looking into whether to hand out clean needles to injection-drug using inmates. [Correctional Service of Canada] CSC and PHAC have signed an agreement to analyze the risks and benefits of a prison-based needle exchange program. Officials from the two agencies, along with representatives from the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers and the Professional Institute of Public Service, traveled to Germany and Spain in September to look at such programs there.

A Canadian federal government agency and its Union, analyzed the program, and will not implement it.

[Scooter]

the Correctional Service of Canada has not to date taken steps to implement a pilot needle exchange program

The CSC is the government department that oversees prisons. The CSC is not the same entity as the correctional officers union. Your own source says that the CSC made the decision not to implement the program, not that they made the decision jointly with the union.

But you are too crocked to read your own source properly...

It is to laugh, a shitfaced drunk trying to pretend she knows anything about Canadian politics...to a Canadian no less.

Ah, ethanol, the fool you make of those who can't live without you.

[loCAtek]

The CSC is not the same entity as the correctional officers union.

I didn't say they were, I said; "Also, the UCCO are one the groups that will determine if you will have a needle exchange program"

Uniformed Correctional Officers employed by CSC are unionized with and supported by the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers (UCCO)

[Scooter]

And yet your own source says no. But you are too shitfaced to read it.

[loCAtek]

In my country, you listen to your Union or else you leave it.

Where's your source that the Union didn't agree with CSC?

[Scooter]

Since when does agreeing = made the decision? I agreed with Obama's decision to take out OBL, according to you that means I "decided" he should do it.

[Scooter]

What makes it even more funny is that the drunken fool knows absolutely nothing about the way Stephen Harper, the Canadian prime minister, operates. The notion that the most conservative prime minister in our history would give the smallest shit about what a public sector union wanted, let alone give them a hand in setting government policy, is so laughable that it clearly can only have come from the bottom of a bottle.

[loCAtek]

Where did I say the UCCO made the decision?

I said; "Also, the UCCO are one the groups that will determine if you will have a needle exchange program" I said they acted as fact-finders. As well as PHAC and the Professional Institute of Public Service.
You're suggesting the CSC did the analyses of the Spain and Germany needle exchange programs without listening to their fact-finders at all?

[loCAtek]

Oh yea, the Hen rule of 'Don't mention the drinking' was quick to be broken LOL

[Scooter]

Oh, ok, you are backing away from your claim that the union would make the decision. Smart move.

If you are embarrassed by your uncontrolled alcoholism then only you can choose to do something about it.

[loCAtek]

Could you address my questions;

Where did I say the UCCO made the decision?

I said; "Also, the UCCO are one the groups that will determine if you will have a needle exchange program" I said they acted as fact-finders. As well as PHAC and the Professional Institute of Public Service.
You're suggesting the CSC did the analyses of the Spain and Germany needle exchange programs without listening to their fact-finders at all?

[Scooter]

So being invited to observe similar programs in other countries = being the ones who decide whether it will happen here?

Yes LOL

Too shitfaced to remember posting that a few minutes ago, I guess.

[loCAtek]

Quite pedant, when the whole quote acknowledges it was the the CSC's decsion;

So being invited to observe similar programs in other countries = being the ones who decide whether it will happen here?

Yes LOL

Although the utility of needle exchange as a harm reduction measure is supported by Canada’s Drug Strategy as a way to slow the spread of HIV that “in no way (leads) to an increase in drug use”88, needle exchange in prison is troubling to many. For some, the idea of providing the equipment necessary to engage in illegal activity within correctional institutions is fundamentally at odds with a mandate to prohibit and reform criminal behaviour. The Commissioner of the Correctional Service of Canada CSC recently recognized the Services’s obligation to make harm reduction measures available that are in keeping with community health standards.89 However, concerned that a needle exchange program might compromise its zero-tolerance policy, increase drug use and threaten institutional safety,90 the Correctional Service of Canada has not to date taken steps to implement a pilot needle exchange program.

Canadian Human Rights Commission Last Updated: 2011-09-16

Uniformed Correctional Officers employed by CSC are unionized with and supported by the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers (UCCO)

This was after I had explained that the UCCO roll was as fact-finders in this mission.

[Scooter]

Smart of you to acknowledge that now, your earlier position was different, but I understand that you are too drunk to remember from one post to the next. Or to read, for that matter.

[Scooter]

Quite pedant

They say the ability to use proper grammar is one of the first victims of alcohol.

[loCAtek]

Smart of you to acknowledge that now, your earlier position was different, but I understand that you are too drunk to remember from one post to the next. Or to read, for that matter.

The whole quote acknowledges it was the the CSC's decsion;
This was after I had explained that the UCCO roll was as fact-finders in this mission.

Nothing changed, I was clarifying the context of UCCO's roll for you, in response to your question

Quite pedant

They say the ability to use proper grammar is one of the first victims of alcohol.

.

It's a sentence fragment, but that's quite pedant of you to get fixated on that.

[Scooter]

Yes, I got it, thanks for realizing your mistake and acknowledging that the decision will be the department's, and not the union's.

And the problem with "quite pedant" is not that it was a sentence fragment. "Pedant" is an noun used where an adjective is required. "Quite pedantic" is what you would have said if you were sober.