Free jailhouse tatts

[Rick]

Yet you are still concerned about the money.

Think how much you would save us if just for a short while.

If they are stupid enough to brand themselves for life with prison "ART". I'm pretty sure a needle exchange would be a flash in the pan.

Bottom line, the activity is not allowed...

[Crackpot]

At what point are you just shooting yourself in the foot by "not allowing" something?

[Scooter]

Think how much you would save us if just for a short while.

By doing what?

Bottom line, the activity is not allowed...

Tell it to the babies of the wives/girlfriends who are born infected once they get out.

[Rick]

At what point are you just shooting yourself in the foot by "not allowing" something?

I'm guessing here now.

But I guess that would depend on who's foot we're talking about.

Can't help ya anymore there Scoot, and you make fun of others...

[Scooter]

Oh, ok, you're playing Steve's game, make an unintelligible comment, refuse to explain it, then however someone answers they are wrong. Whatever.

[Rick]

No one said anything about employing ''state tattoo artists''. The issue is using professional-grade equipment that can be properly sterilized. In the Canadian pilot, the tattoos were done by inmates who were trained in proper antiseptic technique. And this would be a complete non-starter in U.S. prisons in any case, which are so backward in blood-borne disease prevention that they still refuse to implement something as basic as needle exchanges, so you have nothing to worry about.

The OP DID state using a SERVICE.

That was your 1st change to the topic.

[Scooter]

The OP also said that it was not decided who was going to do it. In every other prison system where it has been tried, the tattoos were done by inmates.

[Rick]

Contrary to what Martel predicts, none of the European prisons using needle exchange programs reported those needles being used in attacks. In fact, in Germany, the program was cancelled when the government changed hands. Prison guards in that country protested because they realized how much safer the exchange program made the prisons, he said.

Now you introduce a needle exchange program into the conversation.

That was yer 2nd change.

Then you start busting on LO about her inability to keep up.

Shove Steve up yer backside...

Anyhow I'll take my own advice and extricate myself from this fruitless conversation.

[Rick]

The OP also said that it was not decided who was going to do it. In every other prison system where it has been tried, the tattoos were done by inmates.

Reread the OP because that is decidedly NOT what it said.

There were issues to be managed, Ms Gallagher said, such as who would operate the service, whether it would be free and the problem of prisoners using tattoos to identify themselves as gang members.

YOU read into it that the prisoners would run the service, that is not what it says.

Personally I can see yer points and I think they are valid by the same token I don't feel prisons should sponsor this sort of "recreational" activity.

Calling LO a drunk does little to enhance yer point, matter of fact it just makes YOU look petty and childish.

I don't care enough to dwell on it any further though.

[Scooter]

First, the quote that you cited came from an article about prison needle exchange that someone else had already posted. I simply highlighted a portion she chose not to quote because it did not support her position.

Second, the OP states:

There were issues to be managed, Ms Gallagher said, such as who would operate the service,

So when I said:

The OP also said that it was not decided who was going to do it.

I was practically quoting verbatim from the OP.

[Scooter]

YOU read into it that the prisoners would run the service, that is not what it says.

I nevere said the Australian program would be run by prisoners. I said that in other countries that had done it, prisoners were the ones who did the tattooing. Which those countries appear to have concluded is the most logical way to go about it (unless correctional officers are going to be sent to tattoo college, or...)

[Rick]

OK the CROW is all mine, I apologize not just to you but the board in general however the greater part to you.

Now I bow out...

[Scooter]

Thanks. Likewise for anything I said to you that was out of turn.

[Sean]

And that's how it should be done folks!

These things are easy to sort out when both sides are reasonable.

[Jarlaxle]

Sneak some what in?

If you are talking about drugs, prisoners who are looking for it are going to find it, and there is nothing that prison administration can do to even slow it down. So one can choose to either deal with the reality of that situation, or not.

Actually, there IS, but nobody has the stones to do it.

[Scooter]

If they have been unable to do it in places like China, Indonesia, Burma, etc., for whom the concept of humane treatment of prisoners is completely foreign, there isn't anything that a civilized country could come up with that would be more effective.

Drug interdiction in prisons is a money sucking black hole that accomplishes nothing.

[Andrew D]

And, it seems to me, if one eliminates the words "in prisons," the statement is also true.

[loCAtek]

First, the quote that you cited came from an article about prison needle exchange that someone else had already posted. I simply highlighted a portion she chose not to quote because it did not support her position.

My position was;

The Canadian Prison Guard Union didn't like the idea;

'No way' says union
...

The Union of Canadian Correctional Officers doesn't need any time decide.

"No way, shape or form would the corrections officers, or the union, agree to a needle exchange," said union president Sylvain Martel. He said with more needles in prisons, more officers will be poked.

Likewise, he disapproves of the tattoo project and its $3 million price tag.

"That's taxpayers' money. In the 1990s, the big thing was to de-tattoo someone," said Martel, who added the costly effort was meant to help prisoners reintegrate into society.

"Now, we're going to pay for them to be tattooed and a month before their release we're going to have them de-tattooed. They say it will reduce the infectious disease inside (the prison), which is bullshit, bologna."

Tattoos said to fuel gangs

Martel said his biggest objection to the tattoo project is that it will perpetuate gang activity in the prisons. Often esoteric tattoos are used to identify gang members, he said, and the inmate giving the tattoos would also be under pressure not to tattoo members of rival gangs.

He is also concerned that both the needles in the exchange and the tattoo needles will find their way in the general prison population.

Pilon-Santilli said since the tattooing is done in a controlled environment, than there is no way the needles will find their way into the general population. But Martel said medical syringes are often stolen under similar circumstances from prison medical services.


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...Then Scooter claimed the guards had no voice, nor should want one, or else they should flip burgers.

Prison guards exist to follow policy, not to set it. If they do not like it, they are free to go flip burgers somewhere.

That's been shown incorrect.

[Scooter]

The shitfaced drunk said it, so it must be true.

And nice distortion of what I said. I never claimed they had no voice. I said they did not set policy, which you have admitted to be true.

[loCAtek]

Oops, back to cattiness, not surprising, mujer.

No voice to policy? But yes, they do, through their Union. As already demonstrated.