What we wanted for Xmas 1976

[loCAtek]

Not sure about him, but maybe Brian can take you.

All-Reet, Voot the Suit; Drape the Shape;

[Crackpot]

You're just talking nonsense again, you made the ludcrious claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", and have totally failed to justify it.

Can you tell me Quaddy, what this "worldwide change of pace" that you imagine happend is known as? Highway 61 is seen as part of beginning of the electic folk/folk rock scene, Zep early albums are seen as part of the birth of metal/hard rock, and Pearl Jam's 10 was part of the start of Grunge. So what is Van Halen's revolution in music known as?

hair metal

[quaddriver]

You're just talking nonsense again, you made the ludcrious claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", and have totally failed to justify it.

Can you tell me Quaddy, what this "worldwide change of pace" that you imagine happend is known as? Highway 61 is seen as part of beginning of the electic folk/folk rock scene, Zep early albums are seen as part of the birth of metal/hard rock, and Pearl Jam's 10 was part of the start of Grunge. So what is Van Halen's revolution in music known as?

'101 Albums that changed popular music'. buy it, read it.

[Joe Guy]

But no, we were talking about the late 70's. the thread is clear. and it never was about guitar pioneers (of which Eddie is considered one of, by the media and other players) it was about a game changing album in 1978 that changed the genre the same way at least 3 others I mentioned did. As also agreed with my the media and other players. the thread is also clear about that.

any dispute is entirely of gobs manufacture.

this is what you actually wrote -

The late 70s begat Van Halen, and once again, it all changed....

[Sue U]

Has anyone heard Paul Anka's version of Van Halen's "Jump"? Wonderful stuff!!

Wow. Just ... wow.

[Scooter]

Why does that remind me of Ethel Merman's disco album?

[loCAtek]

I'm gonna need therapy after that...

[Gob]

I think what we have here is a clear example of Quaddy's problems with the English language. I'm sure he's genuine in all he says, and really does like Van Halen, even if he does overestimate vastly their influence.

Let's look at his proclamation again; ""VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied,[sic] Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10".

Did Dylan/Zep/Pearl Jam cause a change of "pace" in music? Not really. Neither did Van Halen.

So in effect he was right.

But what was he actually trying to say?

Well it's hard to tell as he has posted, (examples available,) some utter gibberish in reply.

Most of his claims and quotes prior to his last one revolve around Van Halen's guitar playing ability, something no one has denied. In fact every one of his first seven quotes are about Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing. None of them mention the impact of Van Halen's first album, funnily enough neither has Quaddy up to now.

This includes a quote claiming (laughably) that Eddie Van Halen "may as well" have invented tapping. After denying he mentioned "tapping", Quaddy , very embarrassed, claims this was not his doing, and that anyway the post which contains the first mention of tapping had it "buried deep in the quote". It was actually a third of the quote.

So now Quaddy is claiming his original quote was about Van Halen's first album.

Ok Quaddy, fire away, what change of pace or music changing attributes did it have.

101 Albums states that their first album "fused heavy metal with a positive energy", in other words pop metal/hair/cock rock, which I have said they made all along. Nothing pace changing about it.

Quaddy likes Van Halen, nothing wrong with that, so do I. But Quaddy being very immature and very insecure has a child's reasoning that "if I like it it must be the best!" It's just a shame his lack of understanding of the use of English means he cannot in any way justify that.

He also has the gall to accuse me of ad hominem, though I seriously doubt he knows what it means, well now, guess who threw the first personal insult? (Clue; his nick name begins with Q.)

[quaddriver]

Again, proof the Gob does not read, or bother to read. He didnt even get *a* quote, let alone *the quote* about the album right. what he claims to have read in the book on the section about the VH debut album, is acutally not in there. Why not put in the whole and proper quote Gob? Oh thats right, it says what I have been saying. Cant have that.

Not surprisingly, Gob missed the whole point, as a REVIEW of the book states:

Perhaps Smith's exercise demonstrates that "influential" is not necessarily the same as "outstanding" in popular music.

(one would also point out that the review of the book lists as albums, highway 61, zep, vh and nirvanas nevermind which I already voiced my objection over in favor of 10)

As an example, when trying to defend his unsubstantiated claims, Gob claimed the Zep 2 was *the* album. As we have shown, zep 2 is not even on the list, anyones list. the album I mentioned, from zep, Gob didnt even get the compostion correct or the origin.

From all the things this can infer, and other mistakes he has made we know:

until his google session this am, Gob did not know the makup, lineup or genre of Van Halen (ps: I am a fan yes, but not a BIG fan as anyone would attest). Gob and Gob alone calls the music 'pop' music. If he is unable to determine the genre (as apparently no one else in or connected to the industry has trouble doing) why should we listen to him?
Until his google session this am, Gob did not know the existence, order, popularity and content of zep albums which I (and many others) used to make the comparison. If he is unable to get basic factual material correct about the subject matter (as apparently no one else in or connected to the industry has trouble doing) why should we listen to him?

entertainment value? Please.

We do know from the quotes I have provided, and gob found countless others to match, as partially evidenced by his inability to find a SINGLE dissenting source from any publication, critic or interviewed band/musician, that VH is undisputedly credited with changing the rock scene in 1978 with the arrival of its first album. We also know it was well received worldwide and set in motion on of the top 25 most successful acts EVER. We also know that when interviewed, musicians cite Eddie as inspiration (a key component to changing 'everything' as people seem to say a lot.)

We also know that when interviewed, frontmen cite DLR as THEIR inspiration. We also know the band paved the way for similiar acts, both in style, lyrical content and musical content, such as (but not limited to) Motley Crue and Ratt. who, yes, cite Van Halen as inspiration.

And to be clear since you have not erased the posts yet, you and you alone tried the 'tapping' red herring, almost a full 24 hours before I included a quote from someone exclaiming that the first album being heard for the first time 'changes everything' (their words and mine) and who happened to devote exactly 1 sentence of 14 to the subject, not 1/3 as you claimed.

Even when spotted facts, you dont get them right. This is depressing.

quelle surprise that people would discuss exactly WHAT was on the album they heard for the first time. Until yesterday when you were sure that Sammy Hagar replaced Eddie Van Halen (your words, not mine), you did not know that Alex and michael were ALSO in the band. the dont get much press. Of course the talk is about the frontmans antics and the guitar players chops. Isnt that what ALL album reviews are about? When Highway 61 was reviewed and marked as a game changer did they talk about the Al Kooper bit, or Dylans lyrics and new style? When zep 1 came out did they discuss who really wrote you shook me, or rather the new playing style and vocal abilities of the singer? What exactly did the reviews of 10 contain (or 'nevermind' if that is the bent chosen)

So we have derived yet another hard and fast fact: Gob does not bother to read the reviews and critiques of rock albums, which is sad given that some of the more authorative sources are in fact from the UK.

summarizing, Gob has demonstrated:

a) he does not bother to learn who exactly is performing in a band
b) he does not bother to learn what songs the band is performing
c) he does not bother to read any critiques or analysis of the material

yet he does bother to pontificate on all three subjects with amusing results.

ah, so this is an act.

Ps: ad hominem, you pages 3,4,5,6,7. You dont yet have a single one from me even by page 7.

pps: when name dropping to lend an air of authority to your post (seeing as actual sources and cites escape you), re: Lotus feet, you didnt even get THAT right, I did after all, and you brought it into the discussion as a non-sequitor.

How many times do I have to ask you to get something, anything right before you actually do such?

[The Hen]

I wanted a Rubik's Cube.

[Joe Guy]

quad has drifted.... once again into the quadzone.

It's understandable, being that it's the first time he has ever brought evidence (no matter how weak it is) to support his opinion on an issue , but now he can't seem to let it go.

Very entertaining.

thanks again, quad.

[Gob]

Again, proof the Gob does not read, or bother to read. He didnt even get *a* quote, let alone *the quote* about the album right. what he claims to have read in the book on the section about the VH debut album, is acutally not in there. Why not put in the whole and proper quote Gob? Oh thats right, it says what I have been saying. Cant have that.

101 albums that changed popular music; Van Halen So, my quote is there for all to see.



All the rest is Quaddrivel, no substantiation of his claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", "

What was the "change of pace" Quaddy?

pace1  

noun
1. a rate of movement, especially in stepping, walking, etc.: to walk at a brisk pace of five miles an hour.
2. a rate of activity, progress, growth, performance, etc.; tempo.
3. any of various standard linear measures, representing the space naturally measured by the movement of the feet in walking: roughly 30 to 40 inches (75 cm to 1 meter). Compare geometrical pace, military pace, Roman pace.
4. a single step: She took three paces in the direction of the door.
5. the distance covered in a step: Stand six paces inside the gates.


verb (used with object)
10. to set the pace for, as in racing.
11. to traverse or go over with steps: He paced the floor nervously.
12. to measure by paces.
13. to train to a certain pace; exercise in pacing: to pace a horse.
14. (of a horse) to run (a distance) at a pace: Hanover II paced a mile.

Instead of diversionary drivel, answer the question that has been asked of you for four pages.

1978 in music, no mention of the "change of pace" which obviously affected Quaddy more than anyone else. (the album release is mention though.)


Here are the real major events in music, which were far more important than Van Halen releasing an album.

January 14 – The Sex Pistols play their final show (until a 1996 reunion) at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom.

January 21 – As Saturday Night Fever becomes a cultural phenomenon, the soundtrack hits #1 on the Billboard Charts, where it will stay until July.

July 21 – Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, a much-hyped musical film starring Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees performing the music of The Beatles, opens in theaters. The film is savaged by critics and proves a box office disappointment.

September 7 – The Who drummer Keith Moon dies in a central London flat after a prescription drug overdose at the age of 32.

I've given him a pass on his silly "punk rock didn't become popular until the 80's" nonsense, even he's to embarrassed to try to bullshit his way out of that.

[dales]

I wanted a Rubik's Cube.

I wanted a mood ring.

[Gob]

The worse thing about the turn this thread has taken, is I cannot get this tune out of my head.



Bad enough debating with someone who point blank refuses to substantiate his claims, far worse to be doing it with this bland, corporate, middle of the road, AOR, hair metal/cock rock anthem going on in my head!!!

[BoSoxGal]

I wanted Barbie's Dream House - three levels complete with elevator - and I got it! Or, that was the year I got the Barbie motorhome. I can't recall. I have pictures somewhere.

Barbie. Blech.

[kristina]

I wanted a car and an apartment (in no particular order). I had dropped out of college and was living with my parents, and had to borrow one of their cars to get to work. I think I finally ended up paying $200 for a '66 Chevy BelAir, which lasted the 2 years until I moved west to CA.

[Sean]

You're just talking nonsense again, you made the ludcrious claim; "VH's arrival in 78 sparked the same worldwide change of pace that other artists did, like Dylan with Highway 61 revistied, Zep with 1, Pearl Jam with 10", and have totally failed to justify it.

Can you tell me Quaddy, what this "worldwide change of pace" that you imagine happend is known as? Highway 61 is seen as part of beginning of the electic folk/folk rock scene, Zep early albums are seen as part of the birth of metal/hard rock, and Pearl Jam's 10 was part of the start of Grunge. So what is Van Halen's revolution in music known as?

hair metal

Hair metal wasn't a revolution, it was a natural progression. Long hair was already there, the glitz came from glam rock and the music itself (particularly the guitar) was a product of two things: advancements in FX technology and the mistaken belief that the more notes you could get out of it in a second the better player you were. Tapping is a party trick. It has no substance or depth and is, to put it simply, wanking with a guitar. The musical revolutionaries were those who did something completely new (and usually shocking). Rock and roll was a revolution, punk was a revolution, even disco was a revolution.

Oh and by the way Quad, you now claim that this was not about guitar pioneers but it's worth remembering that it was you who brought them into the discussion...

[Crackpot]

who brought the spandex and mascara?

[Crackpot]

And the hairspray cant forget the hairspray.

[Sean]

who brought the spandex and mascara?

Satan.