It is just a hobby

[Scooter]

From the context it appears to refer to industrialists or something of that nature (who would have an interest in being able to get around OSHA, EPA, etc. regulations).

[liberty]

BTW lib if memory serves me correctly, didn't you bring this Honduras idea up before? If I remember correctly, (and I may not) the reason you came up with Honduras involved a personal connection of some sort....

We have a church mission in Honduras; they appear to be a humble, hand working and freedom loving people. They deserve an opportunity to join our federation. Whether or not they choose to do that is entirely up to them, but it would change their lives.

By comparison Puerto Rico is wealthy. Puerto Rico is a land of paved roads and public schools on the other hand Honduras is place of dirt roads, not all roads of course, and mission schools. There are public schools in Honduras if you have a sense of humor. In Honduras, if one wants an education one should have the good sense to be born wealthy. Statehood or even territorial status could change all that and greatly improve their lives.

Good night, my wife is pressuring me to go to bed

[liberty]

Does anyone have a translator handy?

And that would really, REALLY suck.

Puerto Rico and three Independent


When speaking in Puerto Rico's independence, independence really speak of three, each with different characteristics.

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Thanks Loca. Could I get the link to your translator?

[Lord Jim]

I would guess that LoCa probably translated that herself, lib...

[Lord Jim]

a humble, hand working and freedom loving people.

There are many countries in the world with folks like that lib; but we can't afford to make them all states.

Statehood or even territorial status could change all that and greatly improve their lives.

See answer above.

[liberty]

a humble, hand working and freedom loving people.

There are many countries in the world with folks like that lib; but we can't afford to make them all states.

Statehood or even territorial status could change all that and greatly improve their lives.

See answer above.

That is true Jim that is the reason we would need to get rid of Puerto Rico first.

[Guinevere]

Actually, we need to take care of the people we are already obligated to take care of, first.

[liberty]

Actually, we need to take care of the people we are already obligated to take care of, first.

Where is the obligation? We owe them nothing. They have had nearly fifty years to make a decision and by not making a decision they have decided for independences. And besides we need the slot they occupy for a more deserving people.

[loCAtek]

My question is; what slot? Was there ever a limit placed on the number of territories or commonwealths states to begin with?
If Honduras wishes to become a territory of the US, I think they need only to petition for it, but I could be wrong. However, in spite of all our support for the country in the 20th and 21st century, I wasn't aware they wanted to be a part of the US.

[Scooter]

If they have any memory at all, Hondurans would have no interest in having any part of the country that kept their dictators in power during the banana republic days.

And what the fuck is that supposed to mean, that by not choosing they have chosen independence? In the 1967 referendum, 99.4% voted against independence. In the 1993 referendum, 95.6% voted against independence. How much stronger of a message do Puerto Ricans need to send to get through your dumbass cracker skull?

Living so much of your life without wearing shoes has obviously exposed you to parasites that have eaten away your brain.

[liberty]

My question is; what slot? Was there ever a limit placed on the number of territories or commonwealths states to begin with?
If Honduras wishes to become a territory of the US, I think they need only to petition for it, but I could be wrong. However, in spite of all our support for the country in the 20th and 21st century, I wasn't aware they wanted to be a part of the US.

You are right loca there is no Constitutional limit on the number of territories the US can have, but there is a financial limit. We can only do so much. In order to do a great thing in Honduras we need the resources that are currently going Puerto Rico to be diverted to Honduras. Are you aware that many American tourists take vacations in Puerto Rico simply because it is safe and no pass port is required?

The Hondurans are not aware that they have the right to petition the US government to become a territory and then a state. Once it is known in Honduras my part is finished.

However if Puerto Rico should suddenly become a state that would be checkmate, end of game. The poor Hondurans would screwed without ever knowing it.

[Sean]

The Hondurans are not aware that they have the right to petition the US government to become a territory and then a state. Once it is known in Honduras my part is finished.

Are you sure about that? How do you know?
Has the possibility crossed your mind that they may be well aware of their right but have no interest in becoming a territory or a state?

[liberty]

The Hondurans are not aware that they have the right to petition the US government to become a territory and then a state. Once it is known in Honduras my part is finished.

Are you sure about that? How do you know?
Has the possibility crossed your mind that they may be well aware of their right but have no interest in becoming a territory or a state?

Because most Americans don‘t know that it is possible. Few Americans know how Texas became a part of the US. They were an independent republic when they petitioned Congress for entry into the union.

And if they know and don’t want to then there would no harm done get the word out.

[Sean]

But most Americans don't need to know about it. That's like saying most Americans don't know the process involved in getting a Green Card. Why should they know?

The fact that the average American doesn't know about it doesn't mean that the Honduran leadership don't know about it. That makes no sense!

[liberty]

The fact that the average American doesn't know about it doesn't mean that the Honduran leadershipdon't know about it. That makes no sense!

I am not really concerned with them they are not going to miss any meals. They will not watch their children die from diseases caused by malnutrition.
I am concerned with the poor of the country, especially the rural poor. There are men in Honduras that have only a few poor mountain acres of land on which to feed his family. They are the poor brown trash of Honduras; they remind me of my own ancestors, very proud but very poor.
I want to offer them the opportunity to marry into a wealthy family if they are not interested that is their business.

[Guinevere]

Actually, we need to take care of the people we are already obligated to take care of, first.

Where is the obligation? We owe them nothing. They have had nearly fifty years to make a decision and by not making a decision they have decided for independences. And besides we need the slot they occupy for a more deserving people.

If we can't take take of our own (the people who live in the United States) properly first -- and clearly given the economic times, unemployed, uninsured, and undereducated we cannot --- why should be take on Honduras as well.

[Scooter]

You didn't seem particularly concerned about the poor of Honduras a couple of years ago when they were been stymied by their own Congress from holding a referendum on opening up their own constitution.

[rubato]

Honduras is 'more deserving' because they are a right-wing totalitarian society? Sounds like Ron "I never met a brutal dictator I didn't like" Reagan's foreign policy.

yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

You didn't seem particularly concerned about the poor of Honduras a couple of years ago when they were been stymied by their own Congress from holding a referendum on opening up their own constitution.

It is never a good idea to sell one’s soul to the devil no matter how pretty his communist lies are. Once he owns you there is no free will.

[liberty]

Actually, we need to take care of the people we are already obligated to take care of, first.

Where is the obligation? We owe them nothing. They have had nearly fifty years to make a decision and by not making a decision they have decided for independences. And besides we need the slot they occupy for a more deserving people.

If we can't take take of our own (the people who live in the United States) properly first -- and clearly given the economic times, unemployed, uninsured, and undereducated we cannot --- why should be take on Honduras as well.

We would not be taking on any additional burden; we would simply be swapping one for another, Puerto Rico out and Honduras in, ( can‘t have a preposition at the end of a sentence.