If religion is a side effect of sex, does that mean God does

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...not exist?

Damn that limit to a title's length.

The title was sufficiently provocative to make me read this article at the Scientific American web site.

There is far more in that article than I have copied here, but this one observation is worth a separate discussion.
In a post on Asperger's syndrome, my fellow blogger Karen Schrock manages to knock both religious believers and nonreligious rationalists in just a few paragraphs. Kudos, Karen! People with Asperger's, a mild form of autism, tend not to attribute events in their lives to a "higher power or supernatural force," Karen reports. Conversely, the tendency of supposedly healthy people to see "intention or purpose" behind random events may stem from an overactive "theory of mind," the innate ability to sense perceptions, emotions and intentions in others. Faith is a pathology, and so is the lack thereof. Basically, we're all nuts. Who could disagree?
I liked this because it reinforces a belief that I have that we humans are hard wired to believe in a higher being. But it goes well beyond that by inferring that some of us are far more likely to explain events by invoking a higher power than are others. Indeed, as they point out, people with Aspergers’s syndrome are not likely to make such connections at all.

Even better, it provides the means to test the idea by associating the tendency with the human trait of sensing emotions and intentions in others.
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Well, that's if you want to listen to an autistic.

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it provides the means to test the idea by associating the tendency with the human trait of sensing emotions and intentions in others.
Unless it arises from an innate desire to create order from disorder, and has little to do with any ability to sense the emotions of others. those with Asperger's may not tend to do this, because they care little about such events unless they directly affect them, and then respond personally, kind of like knowing there are planes that fly from your local airport to Chicago, but not really caring when they depart or what airlines, etc., until you have to go to Chicago.

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I don't know about "hard wired to believe in a higher being", how about "hard wired to believe there is a reason for everything."
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As you know I do believe in a higher being. But I can live with that, Gob.
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I don't know about "hard wired to believe in a higher being", how about "hard wired to believe there is a reason for everything."
Long before Europeans opened up the world, every isolated part had developed an idea about how we were created, what our purpose was and how that affected the world at large.

Universally, we humans saw a creator as a means to explain what we could not explain.

If we are not hard wired to see God, then why is it that no culture has ever failed to assign the unknown to a higher being?
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(a) Because that's the easiest way out: When confronted with an incomprehensible universe, anthropomorphize it. Psycho-emotionally, it beats all hell out of acknowledging that that the universe in which we find ourselves has neither reason nor purpose.

(b) Because that's a ready way to power: Ordinary folk don't understand the universe around them, so, armed with a bit more information than the hoi polloi possess, claim to have some sort of exclusive access to the truth and wield the status of priest of the arcana as an instrument to obtain and maintain socio-political power.
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Yeah but besides that Andrew don't you think that people automatically seek out some sort of reason to make sense of their existence? I won't go as far as to say "hard wired"' but I will ask wtf would you call it?


I am recalled of Godbody by Spurgeon . Sex and religion were blended into a unified whole.

I rather liked the concept.
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Yeah, because the easy way out is denial; 'there is no God'; 'there is no reason or purpose' IOW atheism. The oneness is harder to grasp, but that's the nature of truth.

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Yeah, because the easy way out is denial; 'there is no God'; 'there is no reason or purpose' IOW atheism. The oneness is harder to grasp, but that's the nature of truth

Quite to the contrary. The easy way out is to label the unknown forces as being the works of a god. That’s why the concept of a higher power is so universal in human nature.

Not surprisingly, when (and through hard work) we replace doctrine with facts, we see that our faith was in error. For example, faith told us that the earth was the center of the universe. Since man was the crown of creation, certainly God would put us at the center.
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Momento: Faith was not in error; doctrine was.


Also, I didn't say 'God'; I said the oneness; that is God/facts/faith are all the same underneath, at the heart of it. If all is one; nothing is at the center and all is.

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I like faith. We all have it even if we don’t believe in something mainstream.

But doctrine has a nasty way of getting thrown down on the ground and people start to bow.

I love my god even though he bears no resemblance to any of the descriptions given by those who are selling theirs.


Just the other day I asked my god if he intentionally hard wired my belief in him, or was it all because he was real.


He hasn’t answered me yet.
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How many of us accept the fact that when we die, nothing happens?

We cease to be?

We rot?

We are no more.

We are to the world what the dead parrot was to John Cleese?

My belief does not have all of me in the above position, just 99.9% of me.
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BTW Who said religion is a side effect of sex, man or God?

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We are to the world what the dead parrot was to John Cleese?
I can buy that. while I do believein some existence after "death" in this world, I think it is something we move on to or towards. It's possible, I guess (but I don't know) that some may still try to maintain some ties to this existence and not move on completely, but they are rather inconsequential to the state f things here, much like the Norwegian Blue pining for the fjords.

Now I guess it is possible if we achieve oneness with "god" we may have some effects on this world through that collective consciousness, but I think that's different than the question you raised.
(a) Because that's the easiest way out: When confronted with an incomprehensible universe, anthropomorphize it. Psycho-emotionally, it beats all hell out of acknowledging that that the universe in which we find ourselves has neither reason nor purpose.

(b) Because that's a ready way to power: Ordinary folk don't understand the universe around them, so, armed with a bit more information than
Andrew--can't argue with either of those.

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tyro wrote:
I don't know about "hard wired to believe in a higher being", how about "hard wired to believe there is a reason for everything."
Long before Europeans opened up the world, every isolated part had developed an idea about how we were created, what our purpose was and how that affected the world at large.

Universally, we humans saw a creator as a means to explain what we could not explain.

If we are not hard wired to see God, then why is it that no culture has ever failed to assign the unknown to a higher being?
Humans are no more "hard-wired" to believe in a god (and particularly a creator-god) than they are to believe the Sun revolves around the flat disc of the Earth. Most such beliefs are simply the products of ignorance in attempting to fill in the gaps of explaining how the world around us works. Origin mythologies commonly developed by human cultures function mostly to tell us about ourselves and to validate our own cultural choices and norms.
The Hen wrote:How many of us accept the fact that when we die, nothing happens?

We cease to be?

We rot?

We are no more.

We are to the world what the dead parrot was to John Cleese?
I'm perfectly fine with that -- it seems very orderly and natural to me and I can't see why there should be anything wrong with it. Why do people have such a problem with the finality of death? Sure from a personal (and quite egotistical) perspective it's a bit scary to simply cease to be, but other than our own self-absorption, what's the big deal? You weren't here before, why should you think you'd be here (or anywhere) after?
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Because of the existence of your soul. If we were purely organic beings without spirituality, we would not have this enormous capacity to love. Human beings are unique in the world for being about to show love to many different species, and many different things. Not just love for other animals, but plants and place. A sculptor is said to feel 'love the stone'. A singer to have 'love for the song'. No other being loves so greatly as to be willing to die for a stranger.

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Why do people have such a problem with the finality of death? Sure from a personal (and quite egotistical) perspective it's a bit scary to simply cease to be, but other than our own self-absorption, what's the big deal? You weren't here before, why should you think you'd be here (or anywhere) after?
I think it stems from the desire to make sense of everything; it seems strange to work a lifetime to acquire knowledge and then have it all disapear after your 3 score and ten years are up; postulating an fterlife makes this life a waystation on the road to eternal something or other. Egotistical? sure, but then so is our desire to understand and make sense of anything and everything.

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