Presidential Pretender

[BoSoxGal]

[dgs49]

Just as I thought. You made a stupid accusation, and have no idea how to back it up.

Idiot.

[Grim Reaper]

Hmm. No. You seem to have become immensely confused and have no idea how to reply to people anymore. But that's OK. You'll just let this thread die while you create a new one to spew your garbage in. And the cycle of filth will continue until we get a Republican President, at which point rainbows and puppies will burst forth from your mouth as you sing praise after praise about everything they do.

Quick counter point before you turn on your "Obama is teh Messiah" spew filter: I'm not saying President Obama is perfect, but your irrational hatred of everything he's done has gotten completely silly.

[loCAtek]

On the other side of the coin, this sounds like the racist statements I'd hear growing up; that being Mexican wasn't so bad, because Latinos were 'half-Spanish'. That somehow, it was this 'white half' that made us more civilized, or smarter than say full Meso Americans
...but only half as smart as a juero.

[dales]

Aren't Mexicanos half Spanish and half Native American?

Not that it matters.

[dgs49]

rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ spelled [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

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Origin:
1865–70; < French racisme. See race2 , -ism

Related forms
rac·ist, noun, adjective

I have posted my personal opinion (shared by some in the so-called "Black" community) that Our Beloved President has profited from an implicit false representation that he shares a common identity and heritage with our indigenous "African American," or "Black" people. Manifestly, he does not. He shares genetic heredity and skin color. That's all. There is nothing "racist" about this opinion, as it concerns only one group of people, all of the same race.

Nothing in my postings has either stated or implied that "Black" people are inferior to American Caucasians (which would be a "racist" statement). Indeed, in not a single posting have I even alluded to the existence of American "White" people. They (we) are not even part of the discussion.

Furthermore, in each and every case on this BBS where I have criticized an action of policy of President Obama, I have stated a rational explanation of the reason(s) for my criticism.

You have apparently noted that I have not posted my agreement with anything that he has done. That's not exactly true, but close enough; I think I wrote favorably about the speech he gave when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize. But I assure you that the tenor of my comments would have been pretty much identical if the president were John Kerry, John Edwards, or Ted Fucking Kennedy - all of whom are apparently "White." They - and President Obama - are all misguided LIberals who seek to promote a version of America that replicates the European social democracies.

Again, if you would care to cite a few examples of my "...cycle of filth..." I will address them.

But given your history of making ridiculous accusations that you can't back up, I'm not holding my breath waiting for your response.

[Grim Reaper]

I have posted my personal opinion (shared by some in the so-called "Black" community) that Our Beloved President has profited from an implicit false representation that he shares a common identity and heritage with our indigenous "African American," or "Black" people. Manifestly, he does not. He shares genetic heredity and skin color. That's all. There is nothing "racist" about this opinion, as it concerns only one group of people, all of the same race.

Hey look! Some other people agree with me! That means I'm totally not racist!

Nothing in my postings has either stated or implied that "Black" people are inferior to American Caucasians (which would be a "racist" statement). Indeed, in not a single posting have I even alluded to the existence of American "White" people. They (we) are not even part of the discussion.

You're just saying he can't call himself "black" because he doesn't meet your make believe definition.

Furthermore, in each and every case on this BBS where I have criticized an action of policy of President Obama, I have stated a rational explanation of the reason(s) for my criticism.

Just look at this thread. You're criticizing his decision to call himself black and using one of your more pathetic arguments to do so. There is nothing rational about your argument in this thread. You're just stomping your feet and wailing to anyone who will bother to listen.

You have apparently noted that I have not posted my agreement with anything that he has done. That's not exactly true, but close enough; I think I wrote favorably about the speech he gave when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize. But I assure you that the tenor of my comments would have been pretty much identical if the president were John Kerry, John Edwards, or Ted Fucking Kennedy - all of whom are apparently "White." They - and President Obama - are all misguided LIberals who seek to promote a version of America that replicates the European social democracies.

That's just your overriding hatred for all things that might help other people. You happen to have an extra helping of racism to dish against President Obama.

Again, if you would care to cite a few examples of my "...cycle of filth..." I will address them.

Current example: This thread.

But given your history of making ridiculous accusations that you can't back up, I'm not holding my breath waiting for your response.

You'll just let this thread die like every single other one where you lost the argument.

[Sean]

Refusing to accept Obama as a genuine black man is a slur against his ethnicity Dave. In doing so you are not prejudiced against black people in general but against one particular black man. That is, by definition, racist.

Comparisons could be drawn with a group of people who believe that unless you had blond hair and blue eyes you could not be considered truly white but I won't be the one to draw them...

[rubato]

Obama grew up being treated like all other black men are treated in the US. He did not choose to be so treated nor does the difference in his personal history make him immune from that treatment. That is why there is no argument that he is not 'really black', except to racists.

The depth of hatred for him by the right is driven by the large bloc of hard-shell unreconstructed racists who form the Republican base.



yrs,
rubato

[dgs49]

Rube, are you serious?

He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia.

Hardly Bed-Stuy, Harlem, or the Southside of Chi-town.

Honestly. Are you fucking serious?

[Sue U]

dgs49, are you fucking serious? You think you can't be black unless you grew up in a ghetto? The majority of black households in the U.S. are solidly middle class. More than half of the African-Americans living in metropolitan areas now live in the suburbs, not the city. In fact, Hispanics now outnumber blacks and represent the largest minority group in major American cities. Do you now think you can't be Latino unless you grew up in a barrio?

[dgs49]

My personal view is that "Latino" and "Hispanic" are fairly preposterous, denigrating terms that seek to group together dozens of ethnicities that may have nothing in common but a common language. Rather like grouping everyone who natively speaks English as "Anglo's." What do middle-class ethnic Cuban republicans in Miami have to do with wetbacks picking lettuce in California? What do they share culturally, ethnically, or politically? Nothing. But they both speak Spanish, and some (idiots) would include them in the collective, "Hispanic."

Bullshit.

American "Blacks" have a common heritage that is unique in the world. They were brought to North America as captives, endured generations as slaves, suffered through more than a hundred years of persecution, prosecution, and bigotry. Out of this history has emerged a culture including literature, music, art, poetry, a unique patois (sometimes called, "Ebonic"), and even a fashion sense.

It's not about money, or about individuals living in relative deprivation. Michael Jordan's children are "Black." Neither I nor anyone else would dispute that.

To the extent that Our Beloved President claims this as his own personal heritage, he is lying. NONE of it applies to him, any more than it would apply to me if I were to try to adopt it as my own.

Consider an analogy with which many of us may be familiar. There are Italians, and there are Italians. My wife's family came from Italy a few years before she was born. Her parents and her older brother were born in Italy, and she was the first to be born in the U.S. They made their own wine, they read Italian newspapers, 90% of their friends and families are immigrants from Italy. They spoke Italian in their home until her parents died a few years ago. She is Italian.

There are others in this country with Italian surnames, who identify themselves as "Italians." Aside from a few slang expressions that they picked up from watching television, they don't speak Italian, and can't tell you who in their family emigrated from Italy. All they have is the Italian surname. There are Italians who figuratively roll their eyes when such people proudly call themselves "Italians."

There are Black people in the U.S. who roll their eyes when Barry refers to himself as a "Black man." Justifiably so.


Sean, you use the expression, "by definition." Whose definition? I am not prejudiced against Barry Obama because of his racial identity. I do not like his policies and think he is bringing about financial armageddon, either wittingly or not. That has nothing to do with his race. Are you saying that if I don't like anyone who happens to be a Negro, then I am prejudiced? If that's the case, then I guess I'm prejudiced against almost everybody, although I've never knowingly disliked an Inuit.

Where is this "group of people who believe that unless you had blond hair and blue eyes you could not be considered truly white"? I've never heard anything so proposterous in my life. Even Hitler never said anything so ridiculous.

[Grim Reaper]

I am not prejudiced against Barry Obama because of his racial identity.

The very existence of this thread proves otherwise.

Are you saying that if I don't like anyone who happens to be a Negro, then I am prejudiced?

No. And this is an immensely childish statement. If you had any shame at all, you should have felt that shame burning when you posted this garbage.

Not liking someone who happens to be black is fine. But what you have here is a special burning hatred for an individual, and the color of their skin is one of your arguments against that person. That's what makes you racist.

[Sean]

Sean, you use the expression, "by definition." Whose definition? I am not prejudiced against Barry Obama because of his racial identity. I do not like his policies and think he is bringing about financial armageddon, either wittingly or not. That has nothing to do with his race. Are you saying that if I don't like anyone who happens to be a Negro, then I am prejudiced? If that's the case, then I guess I'm prejudiced against almost everybody, although I've never knowingly disliked an Inuit.

By the very definition of racism Dave. You are denying Obama the identity his ethnicity gives him. I don't see how it's complicated to be honest...

Where is this "group of people who believe that unless you had blond hair and blue eyes you could not be considered truly white"? I've never heard anything so proposterous in my life. Even Hitler never said anything so ridiculous.

Are you serious? Do some research Dave. I would suggest "Master Race" as a good starting point.

[Scooter]

You're attempting to get someone who unabashedly uses terms like "knee-grows" to acknowledge a racism that is blatant to everyone but himself. Lost cause.

[rubato]

Rube, are you serious?

He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia.

Hardly Bed-Stuy, Harlem, or the Southside of Chi-town.

Honestly. Are you fucking serious?

You really are an amazing racist.

Obama lived in Indonesia (where there are few blacks) and Hawaii (where he was one of three blacks in his school). He spent two years in Los Angeles and then several years (four?) in New York. After New York he went to Chicago for three years and then three at Harvard Law. Then back to Chicago.

He is a black man and has seen how you are treated as a black man in many parts of the U.S. over an extended period. You are an untravelled ignorant redneck.

yrs,
rubato

[dgs49]

Rube, you fucking idiot,

Barry is a Negro who has indeed seen how you are treated as a "Black man" in many parts of the U.S., over an extended period of time.

So what? So have I.

I have also witnessed instances when a Negro is one of only a few in a school or neighborhood. They are seldom treated badly, and very often end up being quite popular as a result of their uniqueness. I suspect this is what Barry experienced while living in Hawaii and Indonesia.

Can you cite a single instance when Our Beloved President was the victim of racial prejudice or harmful discrimination? OTOH, one can easily see many, many instances when he BENEFITTED from his skin color, to the extent that even if there was the occasional slight growing up, it was more than outweighed by the benefits of availing himself of programs and attitudes designed to compensate for past discrimination - which neither he nor any of his ancestors ever experienced.

[Grim Reaper]

Just because a person hasn't personally witnessed discrimination has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their skin color. Him not being discriminated against doesn't magically make him white. You're just a racist moron with no actual clue as to what he witnessed growing up.

[dgs49]

Grim Reaper person:

Do you understand the difference between "witnessed" (which is irrelevant) and "experienced" (which is relevant)?

If you have ever attended college, I suggest that you send that institution a transcript of this thread and ask for a refund. You got robbed.

[Grim Reaper]

If you experience discrimination, then you have also witnessed it.

Try again with a real argument.