Girls on tour

[rubato]

The baby in the backpack looks pretty safe but the big nasty tat on her mom's arm says "low-functioning" like a neon beer sign.

yrs,
rubato

[dales]

I like shooting firearms at the local range.

Should I bring along a toddler in tow?

[BoSoxGal]

I enjoyed both rock climbing and belaying when I did both in the past.

If I were a mum, I would not bring my child along at that age - too many dangers to expose a child too young to really grasp them. Kids that age unbuckle from car seats all the time; the consequences here would be deadly. A child can die from the head injury sustained rolling off a changing table - a child would surely die falling from that height.

But we each get to choose for our children, and she gets to choose for her child. Hopefully the choices won't come back to haunt her.

eta: In the long run, the risk of danger to this child is far less certain than the risk of danger facing the millions of kids being raised to be junk-eating sofa spud TV addicts.

[Jarlaxle]

Jim, it seems to me that my many years of involvement in this sport, knowing that cliff intimately, knowing that system of climbing and belaying, and being to make a more objective appraisal of the situation is also being overlooked.

She is putting the child in a little bit more danger than she would be walking down the pavement with the kid on her back, but probably not as much as if she were crossing a busy road with the kid there.

If I'm seeing things right, it looks to me like the guy anchoring the rope slipping would result in her being pulled UP, not falling down.

[Gob]

eta: In the long run, the risk of danger to this child is far less certain than the risk of danger facing the millions of kids being raised to be junk-eating sofa spud TV addicts.

Nailed it.

If I'm seeing things right, it looks to me like the guy anchoring the rope slipping would result in her being pulled UP, not falling down.

You have it right.

[Crackpot]

This is just another example of a "parent" using a child as a fashion accesory.

[Crackpot]

eta: In the long run, the risk of danger to this child is far less certain than the risk of danger facing the millions of kids being raised to be junk-eating sofa spud TV addicts.

At the very least I know to be disturbed by the fact the My son seems to adore the South Park theme.

[Guinevere]

Mom and guy on rope are wearing helmets, but baby is not ... because?

[Gob]

They don't make them that size?

[Crackpot]

That should tell you something.

[dales]

They don't make them that size?

That's why my wife got preggers.

[Gob]

That should tell you something.

There's a market out there waiting for a entrepreneur?

[Rick]

http://www.rei.com/category/4500689

If nothing else she coulda put a bike helmet on her head.

Maybe next time...

And then there's this

There was also this

The following in particular:

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meanandugly wrote:I have no problem with her actions. Its interesting by the pic that she finds important enough to wear a helmet while climbing, but none for her child...that's the problem.

At first I thought this was about the two parents doing multi-pitch with two kids in a backpack... the thread that was in ladies room last year. But those people decided to remove the story and pictures instead of trying to justify it.


Problems: yeah, I do see a lot of problems with it.
Below is the rehash of the main points that have been brought up before.

-The mother is wearing a helmet, but the kid is not, major WTF, IMO.

-the kiddie pack that she is wearing seems nothing more than padded cloth a minimalist baby carrier. Definitely not designed for climbing. Looks to me like there are plenty of ways for the kid to slip out of it, and with climbing, if she is doing high steps, etc, there is plenty of wiggling and weight shifting.

-falling (even on a toprope) with the weight behind her back could result in her swinging, spinning, and hitting the rock with her back -- where the kid happens to be tied up.

-the kid has no way of anticipating the fall or bracing for it. Whiplash, anyone? There is a reason why little kids have to have their neck supported and why they have to be in car seats...



Bottom line-- come ON, was there a specific reason why she needed to toprope with a kid attached to her? I am not advocating restraining kids in general, but if there was nobody to watch the kid, and the kid absolutely couldn't be kept contained in some sort of play tent, I would be more O.K. with then hanging the girl in a kiddie harness from a tree branch and letting her swing back and forth, than I am with this stupid idea.

[Crackpot]

That should tell you something.

There's a market out there waiting for a entrepreneur?

Spoken like someone who hasn't had to take care of a drunken suicidal midget.

[Gob]

falling (even on a toprope) with the weight behind her back could result in her swinging, spinning, and hitting the rock with her back -- where the kid happens to be tied up.

Falling anywhere with a baby on your back could result in this or worse. Should we ban baby back carriers?

Here's her review of the one she now uses;

So sadly after my short spell with this style of carrier, and lots of research later I settled on the Ergo Baby Carrier. Now, if I had known about this dream of a carrier all along, I would have used it from the outset!

There isn't anything I don't like about this carrier. We have used it from quick runs into the shops, she has napped in it on my back while I do housework, we've had long mountain days together... I've even climbed with her on my back in it. This is about as comfortable as babywearing gets. And it offers the option of having baby on the front or back, something we have taken full advantage of. And while Ffion sits lower on my back in this carrier, she has always been very happy and content in it.

While not cheap (new they start from around £75), lasting from newborn to around 4 years old, you certainly get your moneys worth out of it. I bought the 'original' but there are now more options out there including the Sport and Performance varieties, and Organic options. You can also buy accessories such as pouches, newby inserts, weather covers etc.

While this lacks the storage space of the backpack style Vaude, I found that I could quite happily carry a backpack on my front or back, depending on how I was carrying Ffion (see bottom, centre photo below).

Because it is so lightweight and compact compared to the backpack style carriers it can easily be chucked in a bag if you have a toddler who is walking but may get tired and want carrying at some point. I often chuck mine in the car, or in the bottom of the pushchair to have those options available.

There's not much more I need to say about it!


http://aimevenhigher.blogspot.com.au/20 ... aring.html

[Rick]

Nothing happened THIS time, but I think it's quite apparent to all that she should take better precautions next time.

Over the top belay is probably the safest form of climbing BUT it's not absolutely failsafe...

[Guinevere]

That should tell you something.

There's a market out there waiting for a entrepreneur?

Spoken like someone who hasn't had to take care of a drunken suicidal midget.

Precisely.

[Gob]

Nothing happened THIS time, but I think it's quite apparent to all that she should take better precautions next time.

Over the top belay is probably the safest form of climbing BUT it's not absolutely failsafe...

Agreed. But then, what in life is?

[Rick]

If they get too bad I guess ya could just feed em to the badgers...

[Rick]

Nothing happened THIS time, but I think it's quite apparent to all that she should take better precautions next time.

Over the top belay is probably the safest form of climbing BUT it's not absolutely failsafe...

Agreed. But then, what in life is?