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[Andrew D]

On the contrary, if two can settle their differences over the breaking of bread, I say go for it!

And even if our differences are not settled, at least we'll be full. That's got to count for something.

[BoSoxGal]

No, Andrew, you're quite wrong.

I think the posting you've engaged in and your attacks on various people is ruining the board. I'd love to see it stop.

But I think you should publicly apologize to LJ, me, and others against whom you've leveled very public and unsubstantiated pointed allegations. I don't think you should make your attempts at amends by PMs and over offboard FtF dinners.

I was communicating with LJ, not you.

I will not engage with you any further, until & unless you offer said public retraction/apology. Feel free to respond with your usual slurring.

[Andrew D]

I'm afraid that some time in late May or early June, someone will start a 'Where's Lord Jim?' thread.

Then Andrew will write, 'Maybe I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti but I'm not claiming I did and you're only wishing I had said that.'

DON'T GO THERE JIM!!!!!

You're in North California, Joe Guy. Care to join us?

But I dislike fava beans.

And when it comes to wine, I can do a whole lot better than "a nice Chianti".

Come on over. It'll be fun.

[Andrew D]

Is there a libretto, bigskygal?

Does that part come before or after you apologize to your own former colleagues for having defamed the entire defense bar?

[Joe Guy]

You're in North California, Joe Guy. Care to join us?

But I dislike fava beans.

And when it come to wine, I can do a whole lot better than "a nice Chianti".

Come on over. It'll be fun.

Thanks.

I'm sure it would be fun.

When you and Jim figure out a date, please let me know and I'll certainly try to make it. Can you tell me (in a PM, if you want) where you live? Just the city, that is.

[dales]

Andrew lives in the same city that I do, Joe.

[Joe Guy]

Andrew lives in the same city that I do, Joe.

Thanks, Dales.

I believe you live about 70 miles from me.

[Lord Jim]

BSG, I understand where you're coming from.

But all I have wanted since this whole thing started, was for it to end. Now of course it's possible that he's not sincere, that this whole thing that came on suddenly is nothing but some sort of game. But if this is just some form of sarcastic game, and he isn't really sincere, then I expect that will become apparent fairly soon.

I still haven't decided to completely take him off ignore, and it's of course it's also possible that something could happen that would re-ignite this, but since my goal is for it to end, I felt that when the offer was made to end it, it was incumbent upon me to take the chance and accept it as sincere on it's face.

I'm a human being and of course my feelings about this whole thing are still kind of raw. if he said he wanted to get together next weekend for example, I probably would have declined; or suggested that we make it later...

we got to a really awful place in this; there has to be some time for a healing process...(man do I hate using that trite psycho babble phrase.)

But since he is offering an olive branch, I feel that I have sort of an obligation to at least accept it and find out whether or not the effort is sincere.

As I said, if it isn't sincere, I'm sure that will be apparent relatively soon.

I'm sure there are people here who believe that I enjoy these dramafest pissing matches, because it's certainly a fact that I've been involved with a number of them. (And I'm sure there are people who do enjoy this kind of stuff and that's fine too; I just don't happen to be one of them.) The facts are that I have always tried to get them to end; you may recall that I even tried to bury the hatchet with rube a few years ago and was arrogantly rebuffed.

I even tried to end the feud with mediator. I had a series of email exchanges with him towards that end. The effort ultimately failed, (he saw our exchanges as an effort on his part to try an "educate a racist"; obviously that brought an end to the discussions) but all I ever wanted from him was for him to cease and desist his outrageous accusations of racism against me.

I bent over backwards to avoid having a feud with Steve and repeatedly, patiently, tried to get him to retract or support his accusation that I had posted that the only cause of poverty was laziness, but he absolutely refused and kept repeating that and other false accusations. The same thing with Quad and his accusation that I was Rush Limbaugh follower, and EGlide and his accusation that I had said I could prove the existence of God.

If somebody thinks that I'm going to serve as their doormat or heavy bag when they make false accusations like that, and not call them on it, they've picked the wrong cowboy. I'll obviously never be mistaken for a guy who's going to just sit there and take it.

But as I said, in every single case, I tried to avoid it, and would have been very happy to see it end.

And if this is really going to end with Andrew, that is fine with me.

[Rick]

(And I'm sure their are people who do enjoy this kind of stuff and that's fine too; I just don't happen to be one of them.)

I will tell you now and without equivocation that I am not one of them.

I understand it is the nature of this beast that some argument should ensue, I do hate it when it goes to extent that I have seen it on this occasion.

Having said that I am not guiltless, Steve and I did not see eye to eye in the end...

[Jarlaxle]

I have to say, LJ, I find it very strange that you would so readily agree to break bread with someone who has accused you of being involved in a number of scams, absent any retraction or apology.

Your standard for companionship is puzzling to me.

Perhaps Jim has compassion for the mentally ill?

[Andrew D]

But if this is just some form of sarcastic game, and he isn't really sincere, then I expect that will become apparent fairly soon.

My invitation is entirely genuine.

Does that mean that we will resolve our differences? I do not know.

But whether we do or not, the invitation stands.

Days that usually work best for us are Fridays and Saturdays.

[kristina]

Just catching up here...

I can certainly verify that Andrew and Jim and I had a lovely meal at a place in SF (with a fair quantity of good wine, and, IIRC, some port after the meal!). It has to have been at least 11 years ago, because my Spousal Unit was there, and he died ten years ago. I think Andrew's wife was there, as were BobB (from the Cafe Dartre days) and his wife. A very good time was had by all!

[Andrew D]

Just catching up here...

I can certainly verify that Andrew and Jim and I had a lovely meal at a place in SF (with a fair quantity of good wine, and, IIRC, some port after the meal!). It has to have been at least 11 years ago, because my Spousal Unit was there, and he died ten years ago. I think Andrew's wife was there, as were BobB (from the Cafe Dartre days) and his wife. A very good time was had by all!

That definitely happened. My wife was definitely there. I'm pretty confident that it was at about this time of year twelve years ago. (I strongly associate it with a complicated sequence of events involving my wife's birthday, our vegetarianism -- technically, my ovo-lacto-vegetarianism and her ovo-lacto-pesco-vegetarianism -- my herniated disc, and a wonderful adventure in and around Belize which never happened.) BobB was definitely there; I do not recall his wife.

If I recall correctly, the port emerged at your abode after the restaurant festivities had broken up.

And, yes, it was a lovely time.

[kristina]

If I recall correctly, the port emerged at your abode after the restaurant festivities had broken up.

And, yes, it was a lovely time.

Ahh...I'd forgotten that part! I think there may have a fair quantity of port....

[loCAtek]

Muy Bueno! I was highly looking forward to the Wisteria and the Hummy-Birds*; and now that I know where you [AndrewD] are, I'll endeavor to be closer to on-time than I was before. (Shouldn't be hard)
Seeing Lord Jim, live and in-person should be worth the long BART ride as well.
I'm really quite approachable (even rattle-snakes are cute up close, until you piss them off) ...and I'll bring FIESTA DIP - sorry, that's the best I got; la marqueteria doesn't stock sacrificial organs, in quantities acceptable for party trays.
It's was either that, or hunt my own, and I got too many warrants on my record to risk a major homicide felony, for now.


*One of our highest spiritual levels to attain was the role of HummingBIrd.