I Guess Rush Hasn't Been Getting Enough Press Lately....

[Grim Reaper]

As stated above, it is absurd to have these products paid for under compulsory insurance, as pregnancy is not a disease and the insurance rightly covers injuries and disease, and not casual lifestyle accommodations.

Pregnancy, and the related costs that go with it, are a medical expense.

Contraceptives reduce the medical costs in this country, yet all you can see is your own hatred and spitefulness.

[dgs49]

BSG, this entire discussion is about using birth control pills for contraception. Period.

Although in the hearing it was brought up that they are sometimes prescribed for reasons other than contraception, such uses are in no way controversial, and NO ONE would argue that they are not appropriately covered under SOME medical insurance policies. Not even representatives of the RC church would object to their coverage for other mecically-appropriate conditions.

Parenthetically, the media continually refer to this woman as a "young" woman, but as I understand it she is about 30. I think the "young" can be dropped from the discussion.

The position she is arguing for is that (a) BC pills for the purpose of contraception are a normal and necessary "medical" expense for a female college student, and (b) they should therefore be covered in the same way as, for example flu shots - for prevention of disease.

This position implies that it is the role of the medical insurer to ensure that female college students are free to engage in casual sexual intercourse without having to endure the bother of using a condom or IUD, which are both cheaper and, in the case of the condom, more "responsible" as it has the added benefit of preventing the spread of certain STD's.

So not only should the burden of her sexual behavior be borne by others, but she also wants others to fund the more expensive form of BC so that she won't be inconvenienced.

And as absurd as this is, it still doesn't address the fact that the Institution she has chosen to attend - among the literally thousands of other institutions she could have chosen - has a longstanding, very vocal moral objection to such products and practices, of which she must SURELY have been aware when she chose to go there. She is not a little child, after all. And in her case, one should be able to assume that she was aware of the LONGSTANDING practice of the Church's not being compelled to support B.C. or abortion in any way.

And again, it still doesn't address the absurdity of the Government forcing coverage for a routine, inexpensive, purely discretionary product, the need for which can be COMPLETELY ELIMINATED by simply conducting one's reproductive activities responsibly, at minimal or no out-of-pocket cost.

Most offensive to me is the implication that a typical college-educated woman will, in the absence of FREE B.C. Pills, simply copulate to her heart's content and damn the consequences, thus leaving the helpless taxpayer the burden of paying for unspecified but enormous medical and other expenses in the future - all on the Government's dime. I personally give them more credit than that, but then, I'm not a liberal.

I dare say, we have a few single college-educated women who post on this very board. Would any of them care to weigh in, and explain what force of nature compels them to engage in irresponsible, unprotected reproductive acts when "free" B.C. pills are not available?

"Slut" is a loaded word. But if my daughter (or son) were on a college campus arguing in favor of a "right" to free contraception, it is something that would be an "issue" between us.

[Lord Jim]

I heard on the news a little while ago that Limbaugh is now down nine advertisers...(at least for the time being)

I get the impression that his long-time foes think they smell blood in the water and they're really going after him...

However, I doubt they can take him down. Limbaugh isn't vulnerable in the same way that Imus was; Imus' show was carried by a network syndicate, (CBS radio if I recall) so all that had to be done to drive him off the air was to convince the network honchos to drop him....

I believe Rush has his own independent affiliate network, so they'd have to go after him one affiliate station at a time....

Given his ratings it's a tall order. Even if some affiliates drop him, he can probably pick up others in the markets he loses after the heat lets up...Same thing with the advertisers...(Some of whom will probably come back when the media focus is off anyway)

[Grim Reaper]

This position implies that it is the role of the medical insurer to ensure that female college students are free to engage in casual sexual intercourse without having to endure the bother of using a condom or IUD, which are both cheaper and, in the case of the condom, more "responsible" as it has the added benefit of preventing the spread of certain STD's.

You say this like condoms and IUDs are 100% effective and have never failed at any point in history. You also have approximately zero evidence that women using contraceptive pills are also not using condoms.

It's also possible to have allergic reactions to certain types of condoms and IUDs.

So not only should the burden of her sexual behavior be borne by others, but she also wants others to fund the more expensive form of BC so that she won't be inconvenienced.

This has already been mentioned and you have deliberately ignored it in favor of pretending to have an argument.

Different women respond differently to different medications. This is simple stuff that you are either refusing to grasp or simply ignoring because it doesn't fit your worldview.

This isn't just "I want the most expensive stuff", so stop using that ignorant excuse.

And as absurd as this is, it still doesn't address the fact that the Institution she has chosen to attend - among the literally thousands of other institutions she could have chosen - has a longstanding, very vocal moral objection to such products and practices, of which she must SURELY have been aware when she chose to go there. She is not a little child, after all. And in her case, one should be able to assume that she was aware of the LONGSTANDING practice of the Church's not being compelled to support B.C. or abortion in any way.

I'm sure it's on the front page of their web site "We don't support contraceptives". I'm totally sure all colleges have that listed everywhere in plain view.

Most offensive to me is the implication that a typical college-educated woman will, in the absence of FREE B.C. Pills, simply copulate to her heart's content and damn the consequences, thus leaving the helpless taxpayer the burden of paying for unspecified but enormous medical and other expenses in the future - all on the Government's dime. I personally give them more credit than that, but then, I'm not a liberal.

No, you're a hateful human being with not a spark of compassion in your heart. You're also making the false assumption that these women are dropping their panties every time they see a man, which is just another amazingly ignorant insight from you. Even if a woman has sex once a month, or even once a year, she can still get pregnant and end up having higher medical expenses.

[dgs49]

Limbaugh's ratings will not fall because of this little flap. I personally tuned in yesterday for a few minutes to see how he was handling it, and I suspect many casual listeners did the same. Where there are listeners, there will be advertisers.

He does broadcast while most of the Republican constituency is at work, after all.

My local Democrat birdcage liner published a little editorial about it this morning and observed that Limbaugh makes more than $25 million a year. Yeah. A lot more. Like more than twice that.

Has it occurred to any of you that Limbaugh has, through his blithering, both directly and indirectly made Ms. Fluke a wealthy woman? I seem to recall something from my Torts class in lawschool that it's some kind of a slam dunk intentional tort if you impugn the chastity of a single woman. Can a slander suit be far off? I think it's significant that she has public stated that she does not accept Limbaugh's "apology."

Hell, given the fickleness and gullibility of the American public, this woman could run a write-in campaign for Congress in November and win a seat (not sure where she's from).

[Scooter]

This is the guy who claimed that Michael J. Fox was faking his Parkinson's symptoms and went so far as to attempt to mimic his dyskinetic movements in order to make fun of him, so why anyone would be surprised at him calling a college girl a slut...

[dgs49]

What Limbaugh said is no worse than what Ed Schultz says every day on his syndicated show. Bill Maher is almost as bad, and draws very little flak from the media. The difference is that Limbaugh said it about a private citizen, which is fairly outrageous.

For someone who spends 15 hours a week flapping his gums it's amazing this doesn't happen more often.

As for MJFox, Limbaugh merely observed that his symptoms seem to be well under control through meds when he is acting on television or on a talk show, and they were quite a bit more visible when he was testifying before Congress. In the context of political rough and tumble (which Fox, a Canadian, voluntarily entered) it is legitimate to ask whether he might have adjusted his dosage that day.

Or is he so far beyond the temptations of Ordinary Men that he wouldn't think of doing such a thing?

[Scooter]

He did not just say that, do not attempt to whitewash it. He flat out accused him of faking, and he mimicked the uncontrollable movements of a very sick person. And, of course, he knew absolutely nothing about what he was talking about, because what he was seeing was someone who had taken MORE medication, not less, than he normally would have in order to make sure that he would have been able to speak coherently. The side effect of that is the dyskinesia that he displayed.

[Beer Sponge]

Douche Limbaugh should be shot with a ball of his own frozen shit. Too bad his mother did not have access to contraception.

[Grim Reaper]

What Limbaugh said is no worse than what Ed Schultz says every day on his syndicated show. Bill Maher is almost as bad, and draws very little flak from the media. The difference is that Limbaugh said it about a private citizen, which is fairly outrageous.

Ed Schultz hasn't called someone a slut for using contraceptives. And Bill Maher is a comedian.

[Crackpot]

Bill Maher is a comedian.

news to me

[dgs49]

Limbaugh didn't call her a slut for using contraceptives. He called her a slut for implying that contraceptives are necessary for a normal co-ed existence.

Not that I would expect you to grasp the difference.

And Maher is a comedian when someone challenges some of his bullshit, but an astute political commentator when you agree with him.

Dennis Miller makes him look rather pathetic, by comparison.

[Crackpot]

uhh he didn't say that.

[Grim Reaper]

As usual, dgs49 doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

And Bill Maher is still a comedian even when I agree with what he says.

[Liberty1]

And Bill Maher is still a comedian even when I agree with what he says.

One that's donated $1M to BOs superpac, that is. No wonder he doesn't get critisized when he calls Palin, Baughman or Ingram a cunt, twat or milf.

Sometimes you guys are saying, Limbaugh, oh he's just an entertainer, he has no valid viewpoint.

and then I hear people under 30 get most of their news from Maher or similar shows.

Bullshit.

More leftist double standard. and us conservatives are suppose to be the judgemental ones.

[Scooter]

If you don't understand the difference between taking shots at people who have made a business out of being public figures, and viciously attacking a schoolgirl, then you're a hell of a lot stupider than I thought.

[Crackpot]

Milf is such an insult

Then again If Bill Maher was attracted to me...

[Crackpot]

then again it's said he'd nail anything with a pulse.

[Lord Jim]

He and Ann Coulter are buddies...

[Crackpot]

Certainly doesn't say anything good about either of them.