Just for Dales...

[Gob]

With his long, grey hair and beard, this latest photo of Charles Manson shows how the renowned serial killer is slowly becoming a frail old man in his prison cell.

Now 77, the only outward sign that he isn't just any other pensioner is the chilling swastika tattooed on his forehead.

The photo has been released by Californian prison officials ahead of the killer's twelfth parole hearing on Wednesday.





Getting old: Charles Manson is pictured, right, on the way to a Los Angeles courtroom in 1970. This image on the left was taken in 2009

[The Hen]

It's amazing how sentences, back in the day, actually reflected the crimes committed.

I look at the sad old husk of the man he was and I am finding myself thinking, "Ah, why not let the old fuck out now.". Nowadays, he probably would have been out after 15 years.

Are we becoming desensitized to violent crime?

If so, should the entertainment industry shoulder some blame?

[Lord Jim]

It's amazing how sentences, back in the day, actually reflected the crimes committed.

I rise to disagree...

Back in "the day" a diabolical multiple murderer like Manson would have received a sentence along these lines:

"Mr. Charles Manson, having been found guilty of multiple counts of wanton pre-meditated murder, I sentence you to be taken from this place to a place where you shall be held until you shall be hanged from the neck until dead...

And may God have mercy on your Immortal Soul..."

But maybe we're talking about different "days"....

[Gob]

Did he actually murder anyone?

[Lord Jim]

Did he actually murder anyone?

By his own hand?

No, but then neither did Hitler...

Here's what the jury found:

On January 15, 1971, seven months after the start of the trial, the jury began to deliberate. Nine days later, it came to a verdict. Security was very tight around the Hall of Justice since a Manson follower had stolen a case of hand grenades from a Marine Base and reportedly had planned a special event on what they were calling "Judgment Day."

The jury had found Charles Manson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten each guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Charles "Tex" Watson, because of extradition proceedings and other legal complications did not stand trial until later in the year and was also found guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.



On March 29, 1971, the jury completed deliberations on the penalty phase of the trial. Manson and the three female defendants had shaved their heads for the reading of their verdicts.

"We, the jury in the above-entitled action, having found the defendant Charles Manson guilty of murder in the first degree...do now fix the penalty as death."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seri ... on/23.html

Justice has been very delayed for Charlie, even by California standards...

He was the beneficiary of a Supreme Court ruling that had nothing to do with the specifics of his case back in the early 70's...

Which is why he always remains technically eligible for parole....

[The Hen]

Ah well you see here, where there is no death penalty, we are seeing a shortening of timing for serious crime, (or at least that's how it feels to me).

[Lord Jim]

Ah well you see here, where there is no death penalty, we are seeing a shortening of timing for serious crime, (or at least that's how it feels to me).

We see that here as well Hen...

(And forgive me for having predicted this would happen in an article I wrote 25 years ago)

I predicted at the time that once the DP was removed and replaced with LWOP that the same crowd that had argued against the DP would be making the argument that there was no point in continuing to incarcerate these "harmless old men" and how "cruel and unusual" it would be to do that....

[Jarlaxle]

Too bad nobody has offed him in prison. Some D-Con (or some ground glass) in his food should do the trick nicely.

[Lord Jim]

You go down this road far enough, and you get to what happened in Norway last year...

Where a man who machine gunned 60 sixty children faces a maximum of 20 some odd years in prison...

[Rick]

I guess they figger the more ya kill the wackier ya are...

[Scooter]

You go down this road far enough, and you get to what happened in Norway last year...

Where a man who machine gunned 60 sixty children faces a maximum of 20 some odd years in prison...

They must be doing something right, given they have a homicide rate that is the envy of most of the rest of the world.

[rubato]

The death penalty advocates want us to be more like the Islamic states or communist China than they are like any civilized country:



The socially retarded can only think of ruling by terror.

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[rubato]

2007:




They don't want us back in the top 10 for education or health care they just love a good killin'.

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[Lord Jim]

They must be doing something right, given they have a homicide rate that is the envy of most of the rest of the world.

I haven't looked at the numbers and done an analysis Scooter, (so I'm perfectly prepared to be proven wrong) but I suspect that if I did, I would probably find that homicide rates in Norway are not appreciably lower since the elimination of Capital Punishment...

And that the low rates of homicide (or other serious crime) that they experience can be attributed to a whole host of other cultural and historical factors that don't isolate lack of a DP (or harsh criminal punishments in general) as the variable...

[Scooter]

I wouldn't suggest otherwise. By the same token, criticizing them for imposing sentences that appear leniant to you is equally meaningless.

[dales]

Ah well you see here, where there is no death penalty, we are seeing a shortening of timing for serious crime, (or at least that's how it feels to me).

He was originally sentance to death along with ALL the other defendants for Tate/LaBiancha but those sentences were overturned when the CA Supreme Court ruled the DP "unconstitutional" in 1972. The DP was later reinstated after howls of protests from the voters via the refurendum process.

[dales]

Did he actually murder anyone?

He had others do the dirty work for him.

[dales]

Too bad nobody has offed him in prison. Some D-Con (or some ground glass) in his food should do the trick nicely.

He's in SHU along with Sirhan Sirhan, Juan Corona, and others.

He's hasn't been in the GP since the mid 1980's.

[Rick]

Hey the PRC does it for the sake of art...

[dales]

Here's the most recent pic I could find (10-10-2011)....this is a more recent than the CDC photo by a few months.



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