Esto es México

[Andrew D]

Yes, context matters.

And I am not in the business of defending loCAtek. Defending herself is her business, not mine. (You may recall that in a thread which preexisted the mediation thread, I challenged her: "So, loCAtek, what is your answer?" I do not see an answer in that thread. And I do not recall any answer anywhere else.)

But context matters both ways.

Shouldn't someone who has borne -- earned or been afflicted by; take you choice -- the brunt of many posters' opprobium be permitted to launch her- or himself on a different footing? Even if that person does not apologize for having done whatever that person did (and it hardly seems reasonable to expect someone to apologize if that person believes, however misguidedly, that he or she has nothing to apologize for), shouldn't that person be granted the grace of being allowed to post something utterly innocuous without being dumped on for things which he or she posted elsewhere?

Yes, context matters. But so does mercy.

Maybe when someone tries to rebecome a member of our little community by posting something which has no obnoxious content (or even overtones or subtext) some mercy -- some grace (in its original sense) -- is called for. And the part of us which calls for it is, it seems to me, the better part of us.

[Scooter]

Shouldn't someone who has borne -- earned or been afflicted by; take you choice -- the brunt of many posters' opprobium be permitted to launch her- or himself on a different footing? Even if that person does not apologize for having done whatever that person did (and it hardly seems reasonable to expect someone to apologize if that person believes, however misguidedly, that he or she has nothing to apologize for), shouldn't that person be granted the grace of being allowed to post something utterly innocuous without being dumped on for things which he or she posted elsewhere?

What you say should apply if a poster has made a break with past behaviour and is attempting, as you put it, to launch her- or himself on a different footing. But that isn't what happened here. When the very fact that the poster was posting anything at all, regardless of content, demonstrated that he/she was continuing to lie about the inability to find the time to post, then no, that poster did not deserve any such "grace".

Maybe when someone tries to rebecome a member of our little community by posting something which has no obnoxious content (or even overtones or subtext) some mercy -- some grace (in its original sense) -- is called for. And the part of us which calls for it is, it seems to me, the better part of us.

"Rebecoming" implies that the former obnoxious behaviour was put aside in order to begin anew. But that was not what had happened here. The poster choose to post here, all the while claiming throughout that she did not have the time to be posting in the thread which someone had gone to the trouble of establishing based on her request. Any and all posts here, regardless of content, were part and parcel of that lie, and deserved to be treated as such.

[Andrew D]

no, that poster did not deserve any such "grace".

Grace is never deserved, Scooter. The essence of grace, the essence of mercy, is that it is a blessing which not deserved. Grace is a gift freely offered, without condition of desert or penitence or anything else, from the person bestowing it. And, in my judgment, for what little that may well be worth, grace is also a gift to the person bestowing it.

[Sue U]

Andrew, the Late Unpleasantness was spread through quite a number of threads across the entire board. The poll resulting in suspension was here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5796. I think it significant that there was wide agreement that loCAtek be provided a clean slate and fresh start on her return. In that spirit, postings before March 20 should probably be ignored.

[Scooter]

And given how the actual sequence of events differed from the scenario you posited, perhaps you will understand why other posters chose not to freely offer such a gift. Or perhaps not.

[Scooter]

[I think it significant that there was wide agreement that loCAtek be provided a clean slate and fresh start on her return. In that spirit, postings before March 20 should probably be ignored.

I for one was completely prepared to do exactly that, and still am. It's not as if there has been any lack of shooting herself in the foot since her return. And even with posters who have been pleading with her to back away from the ledge, she appears intent on doing a swan dive off of it regardless.

[Lord Jim]

BTW, my follow up in this thread was not intended as some sort of swipe at LoCA...

If you watch the video she posted that I referred, you'll see that the video itself pokes fun at Mexican stereotypes....

Hence my finding the presence of the word "bean" in the URL amusing....

The earlier responses, (as I'm sure Scooter explained to Andrew, but I know we've had some other folks who have come back to the board recently who weren't here at the time this was going on.) were the result of exasperation posters were feeling towards her because at the same time she was claiming not to have time to respond to the mediation (that she had requested) She was still managing to find time to start other threads. (Like this one.)

I think it significant that there was wide agreement that loCAtek be provided a clean slate and fresh start on her return. In that spirit, postings before March 20 should probably be ignored.

I completely agree. And you can count me among those who are fervently hoping that she will avail herself of that. (I am very sorry to see that thus far the indications have been that she isn't interested in doing taking that path.)

[Andrew D]

Nobody should be allowed to use this past behaviour against her in an unrelated discussion.

If those who seemed to agree with that behaved as if they actually agreed with that, this thread would be quite different.

[Scooter]

Read the fucking dates of the posts in question, Andrew There certainly is someone who is intent on dredging up ancient history, and you can see who it is in your mirror, so go fuck yourself.

[Andrew D]

The earlier responses, (as I'm sure Scooter explained to Andrew, but I know we've had some other folks who have come back to the board recently who weren't here at the time this was going on.) were the result of exasperation posters were feeling towards her because at the same time she was claiming not to have time to respond to the mediation (that she had requested) She was still managing to find time to start other threads. (Like this one.)

Are we posting on the same board?

She did post in the mediation thread. (What you think of her postings there is a matter for you to decide, and I intend no intimation of any opinion on that subject.)

She posted repeatedly in that thread before she started this one. How did that give rise to your exasperation?

[Scooter]

I repeat, if you want to dredge up ancient history, then you can jerk yourself off. I have no intention of offering a hand for that purpose.

[Joe Guy]

Nobody should be allowed to use this past behaviour against her in an unrelated discussion.

If those who seemed to agree with that behaved as if they actually agreed with that, this thread would be quite different.

Not really. At least not for me. My comments are related to what LoCAtek is writing since she came back.

She hasn't attempted to stop the drama and has instead chosen to take over where she left off.

The only thing that has changed for me is that I got tired of her claiming that anyone who agrees with Hen or Gob are somehow being controlled by them.

She's paranoid.

[The Hen]

Are we posting on the same board?

She did post in the mediation thread. (What you think of her postings there is a matter for you to decide, and I intend no intimation of any opinion on that subject.)

She posted repeatedly in that thread before she started this one. How did that give rise to your exasperation?

She posted repeatedly in that thread and in many others to add more unsubstantiated bullshit and crap about myself and my family onto Plan B.

So out of interest Andrew, what DID you think of her postings there?

[dales]

[The Hen]

Ich bin ein bean.

[BoSoxGal]

Oh look! loCA has a cheerleader!

[Scooter]

One attention whore deserves another.

[Lord Jim]

She hasn't attempted to stop the drama and has instead chosen to take over where she left off.

That is precisely the problem...

Look, if LoCa had come back and was just minding her own business, posting on various topics, and anyone here started tossing out digs and insults trying to bait her, I would have been the first one here to come to her defense and yell foul....

In fact shortly before her suspension was over I put up a post expressing the hope that no one would do this...because I thought it was possible that it could happen:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5781&p=72798&hilit=lesson#p72798

But in the event, that isn't what happened....

In fact, the exact opposite is what happened....(In fact she picked up right where she left off so quickly, that if anyone had wanted to try to do that, they wouldn't even have had the time to start in on her before she started up.)

[Andrew D]

Oh look! loCA has a cheerleader!

Yeah, well, at least I don't wallow in the moral and intellectual nadir of the legal profession, butt-whoring for the government in a shithole jurisdiction where I never wanted to be.

Why do you think it is, bigskygal, that you've been bounced from job to job to job? Town to town to town?

Why do you think it is that every man you've ever been with has dumped you?

[Andrew D]

Aaawww. Poor little Scooter ran out of substantive things to say.

What "ancient history" have I "dredg[ed] up," Scooter? What have I posted in this thread which is not directly responsive to what had already been posted in this thread?

... go fuck yourself.

I have a partner, Scooter. She and I have been together for decades.

It comes as no surprise that you have difficulty getting laid. Come to California. We have many freeway rest areas.