IS it wrong to ask what happened to CSB?

[Crackpot]

With all due respect Jim you're full of shit. Speculation would and did occur regardless of what was said or didn't say. Things had got so out of hand that people were and are out for blood and wouldn't be sated otherwise. The simple fact that you were seeing support for Gwen everywhere is proof of that. (the reality was much much different)

People didn't give him space heck they wouldn't even stop bickering long enough for him to get his bearings. After all since he wasn't saying anything in direct support of your position meant he was accepting their position and vice-versa.

[Lord Jim]

and it clearly frustrated him

Oh I certainly understand and sympathize with his frustration Guin...how could anyone not? (btw I just typed "Gwen" again, and caught it and corrected it... )

I'm just saying that should he decide to re-open the board prior to completing this process, that I believe the approach I laid out would serve him much better than his initial one. I believe it would bring him a lot less nastiness and grief...

I think his initial approach was well intentioned; I think the problem may have laid in his having been gone for so long that he didn't have a full appreciation of just how deep the anger, mistrust, and resentments had become. (Which is perfectly understandable, since he would have had no way of knowing that, not having been around.)

Just to follow up about the relative tone of the two boards...

I just don't believe there's any comparison...

It's really like comparing a football scrimmage to The Battle Of The Marne....

[Lord Jim]

With all due respect Jim you're full of shit. Speculation would and did occur regardless of what was said or didn't say. Things had got so out of hand that people were and are out for blood and wouldn't be sated otherwise. The simple fact that you were seeing support for Gwen everywhere is proof of that. (the reality was much much different)

Obviously I completely disagree with every word there CP, for reasons I have outlined in great detail. But I see no reason to continue on this particular merry-go-round...we're just going to have to agree to disagree about that. If you can't see that virtually the whole thrust of the majority of his comments was to hold the membership, fully to blame for the state of affairs there, with no criticism for the administration, there really isn't any more I can do to convince you. Maybe that's not the impression he intended to give, but it's certainly a logical one to have gotten, given what he was saying. I am far from the only one to have come to this conclusion from reading his posts.

People didn't give him space heck they wouldn't even stop bickering long enough for him to get his bearings. After all since he wasn't saying anything in direct support of your position meant he was accepting their position and vice-versa.

And his decision to involve himself in these discussions before he had a full grasp of what had been going on there made this situation better....

how?

I think the evidence on that question pretty much speaks for itself....

[loCAtek]

Well, Jim it is not logical to base your conclusions on 'impressions'; that's hearsay.
It is in fact, logical fallacy. As I've said, I talk to Gar so I can believe you or I can believe my own ears. Also as I've said, he's still open to reasonable discussion. Rather than telling us what you think Gar said, why don't you email or call him and know what Garaelb is saying?

[Lord Jim]

'impressions'; that's hearsay.

Not "hearsay"...LoCa...

The evidence of my own eyes, reading what he has written...

You (and others) are basing your "impressions" on what he has said to you privately...

I, (and others) have based our impressions on what he has written, publicly...

It's obvious to me based on your posts, and (CP's) that there's definitely some divergence between these two, (the public writing, and the private communication...whether this divergence is intentional or not)

FWIW, I don't suppose this is supposed to be a secret, since yesterday, Gar and I have begun some off board communication...

[loCAtek]

Reading into it more like.

hearsay - gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth
- a report (often malicious) about the behavior of other people; "the divorce caused much gossip"

As stated there are/were plans for the changes on the CSB, if folks could be patient and wait for the news.

[tyro]

The evidence of my own eyes, reading what he has written..

God knows how you can eventually convince yourself of what you firmly believe.

[Timster]

You can e-mail Gar at:

JP(at)AFAA.COM

It would probably be wise to put CSB in the subject since he mentioned a spam filter.

He also mentioned passing his phone # along to anyone who wanted to talk to him providing they weren't like "Jeffery Dahmer". I'm taking that to mean the serial killer aspect and nothing against say Timster or Scooter specifically. (forgive me for injecting some levity into the conversation but I think Gar would appreciate it)

I have absolutely no problem with some levity being injected here or anywhere. I like dark humor. It is a great tension reliever.

However, try as I may, I don't get the connection between "Jeffery Dahmer", even jokingly, between Scooter and myself. I not saying that I am taking offense. I just do not understand the reference.

Clarification would be nice.

Tim- he who laughs last... had to have the joke explained -ster

Thanks in advance.

[Rick]

Maybe because you talk girls out of there clothes and eat them, you cunning linguist.

That and dip Copenhagen...

[loCAtek]

[Crackpot]

You're from (or at least living in Wisconsin) and Scooter is homosexual both are factoids about Dahmer neither of which have anything to with the horrible things he did.

[Timster]

Keld, I have Never chewed...tobacco... :twisted:

Thanks for the response CP. And yes born in Madtown and raised in Wis. Although we also had Ed Gein the original American Psycho. Tis a bit of a stretch from residing in a particular state to cannibalism...

But if we are called Wisconsinites what does that make people from Paris?

Ok. Bad joke. And your jest was really just as lame. But no harm no foul. We are cool.

However, Scooter may take issue with you for other reasons. That is not mine to guess or judge.

He is more than able to exhibit his verbal eloquence should he find something with which he finds disagreeable.

Peace out~

[Crackpot]

Within that stretch lies the joke. Taken literally being "like" someone else could mean any similarity what so ever Making the inconsequential commonality bizarrely consequential.

[Timster]

I get it. Now.

And have no problem with it. And please accept my apologies for wrecking your jest. I just didn't get it. So I asked for more information.

Rather than JUMP to my own Assumptions only to land squarely upon my own Conclusions. [For real Dog!...ED.]

May I point out that this sort of dialogue is exactly what is/was missing from the dialogue at the CSB of late.

[Three fucking years!...ED.] Shhhhh. They get it.

So many people have become entrenched with the personalities that they cannot see past that to have an honest discussion.

I want to believe in my heart of hearts that this will be resolved. If it cannot? Then God Bless the Plan B!

[Crackpot]

I have an extremely lateral sense of humor that has gotten me in trouble more than once. So I'm used to people not getting it.

[Timster]

Me also. But what is cool is that we can discuss it. In an adult manner.

I often go into some late night diatribe that I understand perfectly. Yet, upon further review? [Next day] makes no sense to the untrained eye.

That is one of the really cool things about interacting with people for almost ten years.

They know you to some degree. And will give you some latitude. IF you are an honest writer.

NOTE: I did Not say "Strong Writer". I said Honest.

That, to me, makes all the difference.

I really don't care how strong a writer a person is. Honesty above all is paramount.

I will respect honesty above all the rhetoric in the world.

[Guinevere]

Gob, I would never de-register, if only because it gives others the chance to still your nick and play games. But if you don't want to be there, then don't. Surely you have the ability to deny yourself if you truly want to

I posted this over there but there is gone.

Thanks for the heads up about ABATEMENT.

A very useful tool, better than a bigger hammer.

I'm most appreciative...

You're very welcome. Lots of homeowners don't know about the process -- but make sure you find out what the deadlines are because they are usually pretty short and if you miss it, you're SOL.

[The Hen]

I will have to put my hand up to accept responsibility for the closing the CSB.

If I hadn't rejoined to open the windows, and remove the Board cloaking so we could go on a membership drive like the 'good old days' a number of the situations that arose wouldn't have.

Firstly, I wouldn't have found out that registrations required approval prior to being activated and in some cases that approval could take over a day.

That would have saved a lot of heart-ache by not having to convince Gwen that she was able to have automatic registrations AND not have the SPAMmer problem we were seeing prior to and during the cloaking.

If that hadn't happened then a small number of members would not have been so offended as to:

1. Bring up their continuous unsubstantiated perceptions of my sex life when they became aware of my intentions to introduce new posters on the CSB;
2. Recant half-hearted apologies to rehash the same unsubstantiated perceptions of my sex life; or
3. Write offensive things about my daughter on the CSB after she joined for her birthday thread.

If I hadn't got frustrated about the situation on the CSB I would never have written to the G-Man letting him know that the situation was becoming untenable on the CSB and Plan B was a definite solution under active consideration.

Now if those things HADN'T happened, then the CSB would still be cloaked but there.

Registrations would still require Gwen to approve them.

The editing function would still be set to infinity.

The Status quo on everything else would probably be the same too.

Naturally, I felt I had a vested interest in the CSB. My entire courtship with Gob, barring a 2 month period when Daft-Wend hadn't banned us from the Darwin Forums, was played out on the CSB.

We lived and we loved on the forum the G-Man provided for us.

We married on the CSB.

Gob emigrated on the CSB.

The CSB is a decade of my adult life.

The result?

My wost nightmare.

I am sorry folks. The end results were not my intentions, but undoubtedly directly related to my actions.

[loCAtek]

It all comes down to what we felt entitled to, but not responsible for.

[Crackpot]

you got quite the Ego on you Hen