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What Romney Should Do About Immigration

By C. STEWART VERDERY, JR.

During a lengthy primary season, Romney’s effective use of base politics on immigration was a key part of his victory, especially in snuffing out Rick Perry’s potential ascent. But after those strategic attacks, which included Romney’s awkward “self-deportation” plan for illegal aliens, Romney must execute a creative pivot to the middle to attract moderate voters, especially Hispanic moderates. In an election that looks to be razor-close, how effectively Romney recaptures turf in the immigration debate could decide swing states like Nevada, Colorado and Virginia. Looking longer-term, a President Romney would have to find a solution to the immigration issue — a social crisis that has eluded political consensus for two decades — if he wanted to save his party from slow-fuse political suicide.

Romney dedicated much of the speech he gave to the Latino Coalition earlier this week to education, but here are five policy announcements — of varying degrees of political controversy — that Romney should wrap into a high-minded address on immigration and competitiveness that would capture the middle ground. While the details are important, the tone would be, too – most Americans are weary of bombastic talk radio rhetoric on this issue and are looking for thoughtful, bold leadership.

High-skilled immigration: Romney has already endorsed proposals that would allow more highly skilled scientists to enter the United States under temporary visas and to allow foreign students educated here to receive green cards to allow them to stay here and work. However, these proposals have been blocked in Congress by proponents of a broad amnesty that is a non-starter with most Congressional Republicans. Romney should demand passage of the high-skilled agenda before the graduation of the class of 2013 next spring produces another crop of international leaders, educated here in America, needlessly forced to return home to compete against us. If you graduate with an engineering degree from Stanford, we should staple a green card to your diploma.

Temporary travel: President Obama has seized travel as a means to create jobs in the service sector. He released a national strategy to cut visa wait times and endorsed an expanded list of countries from which tourists and business travelers can come to the United States without a full-fledged visa interview. Romney should build on these goals by promising to expand access to the United States to job creators by allowing visa interviews by videoconference and creating fast-track consideration for businessmen and women looking to purchase American goods, attend American trade shows, or purchase American medical services.

“Good Neighbor” visa: Romney opposes the Democratic version of the Dream Act, which would provide legal status and citizenship to those who arrived in the United States as children. What he needs to find instead is a class of immigrants whose continuing contributions to society are worth protecting. He should propose a new visa category of unlimited duration that allows “good neighbors” to remain in the United States without gaining any special advantage over those who have obeyed the law while seeking to become citizens. This “good neighbors” group would include individuals with a clean criminal record working in the military, in law enforcement, or as a first responder, people who are running businesses with at least 10 employees, or serving as clergy members or teachers. Hundreds of thousands of our neighbors in this “white hat” group are viewed sympathetically by all but the fringes of the American electorate. This would allow Romney to base his immigration policy on a person’s good behavior and contributions to society, rather than the circumstances of his or her arrival. Even those seeking a broader amnesty might see some merit in showing Americans the benefits of recognizing the contributions of immigrants who broke the rules to get here.

Enforcement: Romney has pretty much endorsed a kitchen sink approach to enforcement, but budget realities may complicate his ability to make major additional investments. It is clear that the most cost effective enforcement activity is to concentrate on criminal aliens via the Secure Communities fingerprint program and to implement new employer enforcement checks under the E-Verify program (in tandem with the Good Neighbor program). Even as President Obama has increased deportations, the undeniable truth is that mandating workplace checks is the only effective long-term approach to turning off the jobs magnet attracting illegal labor to this country.

“American Dream” constitutional amendment: The antiquated provision of the Constitution that requires the president to be born on American soil should be repealed. In becoming the first Western democracy to elect a racial minority to the highest office in the land in 2008, the United States once again demonstrated its “melting pot” quality to the world. Allowing any United States citizen, no matter where he or she was physically born, to run for president would send a similar signal that Americans care most about a person’s ideas and character, not race and origin. This goal would also put an appropriate and necessary end to the distraction of the Obama “birther” debate that has captured a sliver of the far right’s attention – most Republicans and moderate voters would embrace this “American Dream” proposal as a way to demonstrate their support of legal immigrants.

Wrapping these five policy announcements into a broader speech about how the United States needs the best talent possible to compete internationally would mesh well with Romney’s broader economic game plan. More urgently, it would reposition Romney for the general election fight by showing a different attitude on immigration and diversity issues.
Full article here:
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... migration/

I agree with the author, that it is a strategic political imperative for the GOP to find creative approaches on immigration reform to attract more Latino support without doing it in ways that abandon the party's basic principles. I particularly find the "good neighbor visa" a very intriguing idea in that regard.
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The USA does not need ANY immigration from ANYWHERE at this time and Romney trying to appeal to Hispanic voters is a non-starter.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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That's true - close the borders, turn out the lights and pretend no-one's home. (It used to work when Papa Doc and I hammered on Soapy Moorehouse's door on the way to the pub - his lights would suddenly go out and next day he'd say "Oh sorry lads - I was in the shower").

But isn't dales correct? Stop all visas. There's enough unemployment already. Europe needs the immigrant workers

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It has been a phony problem from the beginning. Just a way of whipping up racist hatreds and fears of "the other", finding a focus for blame for credulous and vicious people. After the downturn immigration from Mexico has reversed so it is even less of an issue. "Make people angry and fearful, find someone to blame, turn your brain off." Right-Wing demagogues have been doing this for a century or more.

Real problems:

Borrowing 300$ Billion a year to give tax breaks mostly to the rich. (thank you Bush II !!)

An unregulated financial sector which created the economic collapse in the first place and which the Republicans have blocked all regulation of since.

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Um yea, illegal immigration is way down; Mexicanos don't want to come here if there ain't no jobs. You wanna impress anybody, Hispanic or not?


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Appealing to the "Latino" vote is an exercise in stupidity.

The largest pockets of "Hispanic" voters are in states that are not in play. Florida is the quasi-exception that demonstrates the folly of the very idea of Hispanic or Latino. The large Cuban constituency votes conservative/Republican.

Best policy: Seal the borders, enforce the existing laws, make it easier for "high value" foreigners to immigrate (or stay). Satisfies everyone but the political hacks.

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In becoming the first Western democracy to elect a racial minority to the highest office in the land in 2008, the United States once again demonstrated its “melting pot” quality to the world.
Oh god!

Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield, KG, PC, FRS, (21 December 1804 – 19 April 1881) was a British Prime Minister, parliamentarian, Conservative statesman and literary figure. He served in government for three decades, twice as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Although his father had him baptised to Anglicanism at age 12, he was nonetheless Britain's first and thus far only Prime Minister who was born into a Jewish family—originally from Portugal.
Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool KG PC (7 June 1770 – 4 December 1828) was a British politician and the longest-serving Prime Minister of the United Kingdom since the Union with Ireland in 1801. He was 42 years old when he became premier in 1812 which made him younger than all of his successors to date. During his time as Prime Minister from 1812 to 1827, Liverpool became known for repressive measures introduced to maintain order, but also for steering the country through the period of radicalism and unrest that followed the Napoleonic Wars. Jenkinson's 19 year old mother, who was the part-Indian daughter of a senior East India Company official William Watts, died from the effects of childbirth one month after his birth
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Dadabhai Naoroji was a Member of Parliament (MP) in the British House of Commons between 1892 and 1895, and the first Asian to be a British MP
Jean-Baptiste Belley (1746-1805) was the first French Black deputy during the French revolution.
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Hmmm I don't know Gob. I guess you are correct on the first one. The qualifying statement was "highest office in the land" so MPs and deputies don't mean squat.

They couldn't elect Disraeli to be "king" - Vickie would have been unamused - so PM definitely qualifies. But then would some pedant argue that in fact Britain was not, then, a complete democracy (not that anywhere is, really) in that at the time women couldn't vote and nor could many men due to qualification criteria?

By that standard the USA didn't reach 'democracy' until 1920 or later (depending upon one's view)

Alberto Fujimori in Peru is a better candidate in the modern era; Mahendra Chaudhry in Fiji; Leon Blum in France; and the Pope probably doesn't count :D
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Portuguese is White European. Not a racial minority.

Try again.

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The largest pockets of "Hispanic" voters are in states that are not in play.
Well Dave, that's simply incorrect...

Your polling and demographics are out of date...

Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, and Virginia are all states "in play" with significant Latino votes. As close as this election is likely to be, that vote could be decisive.

Romney doesn't need to win a majority of the Latino vote; but he needs to come up with an appeal of some sort that will move his support with the fastest growing voter group from less than a quarter to around a third, (GWB got more than 40%)

And more to the point, the Republican Party going forward needs to do this. Republicans who have actually run winning Presidential campaigns, (like Karl Rove) fully understand this.
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rubato wrote:Portuguese is White European. Not a racial minority. Try again. yrs, rubato
I rather think that the issue was Jewishness (not Portugeseosity). 'Jew' identifies a racial minority in England. I did at first wonder if Gob was incorrect in that 'Jew' is a religious rather than racial minority but no - the Israelis regard it as a race thing.

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I rather think that the issue was Jewishness
That was always my understanding re Disraeli.....
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Well of course the issue was his Jewish roots, any fule kno that. The Portuguese in England at that time would also have been considered a racial minority too. They are Hispanic, from "Hispania" which refers to Andorra, Portugal and Spain.
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rubato wrote:Portuguese is White European. Not a racial minority.

Try again.

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There are a great many folk in Portuguese speaking South America that would beg to differ...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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any fule kno that.
Are those the Welsh spellings? :mrgreen:
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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keld feldspar wrote:
rubato wrote:Portuguese is White European. Not a racial minority.

Try again.

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There are a great many folk in Portuguese speaking South America that would beg to differ...
ding ding ding!

Prize for most otiose response of the month!

The ancestors of Benjamin Disreili were from Portugal. Not "Portuguese speaking South America". So the fact that a lot of "Portuguese speaking South Americans" are of African origin is wholly meaningless.

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much like the above post
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Only the English are so deeply racist that they would say that White Europeans are a different race.

And I won't even mention that the average working man in England didn't get the right to vote until after WW I (along with women).

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The ancestors of Benjamin Disreili were from Portugal. Not "Portuguese speaking South America". So the fact that a lot of "Portuguese speaking South Americans" are of African origin is wholly meaningless.
Lovely how that so completely ignores the fact that the controversy about Disraeli had everything to do with the fact that he was Jewish, and nothing to do with his ancestors being from Portugal....

Have you ever once read anything on this topic?

Any fule kno that it's a Nigel Molesworth quote. :nana
Ah, so I see from that link, that this chap dedicated his life to teaching children how to spell incorrectly... :P
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