Some Interesting Ideas On Immigration

[Gob]

Quick look over there, something's happening........

Retard's made an arse of himself again, so he's throwing strawmen into the debate to try to distract us...

[rubato]

Disraeli was offered as an example of someone racially different.

Not religiously different.

Do you girls even read your own crap?

Of course not. Too fucking stupid.

Oh look :

In becoming the first Western democracy to elect a racial minority to the highest office in the land in 2008, the United States once again demonstrated its “melting pot” quality to the world.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

One of my favorite Disraeli quotes:

In 1835 Disraeli and Daniel O'Connell quarrelled publicly over press reports that O'Connell had been called a 'traitor and incendiary' by Disraeli. The pair were to fight a duel but the police intervened and Disraeli was bound over to keep the peace. This was the first of their confrontations. In a heated debate in parliament, O'Connell referred to Disraeli's Jewish ancestry in disparaging terms to which Disraeli responded:

Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon.

[Rick]

Go back and look fer yerself.

Jewish...

[Lord Jim]

We can settle this quite easily rube...

Just present one single authoritative reference showing how Disraeli was the object of suspicion or criticism based on his membership in the "Portuguese race".....

[Scooter]

Disraeli was offered as an example of someone racially different.

Not religiously different.

Except that Disraeli was not religiously different. He was baptized as an Anglican as a child. His identification as a Jew, therefore, was racial and not religious.

[Rick]

Otiose indeed...

[Gob]

Only the English are so deeply racist that they would say that White Europeans are a different race.

And I won't even mention that the average working man in England didn't get the right to vote until after WW I (along with women).

yrs,
rubato

Talking about racism, in the UK there has never at anytime been any restriction of voting rights based on anyones skin colour. As opposed to ....ermm..... 1964 in some parts of the USA I believe?

[Long Run]

Talking about racism, in the UK there has never at anytime been any restriction of voting rights based on anyones skin colour. As opposed to ....ermm..... 1964 in some parts of the USA I believe?

Yes, red heads were finally protected from outright discrimination. Of course, you had to be citizen to vote, and that was and still is the trick; well, that and there being an election.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Only the English are so deeply racist that they would say that White Europeans are a different race.

Except for the Caucasians, old boy. Quite right about the rest - wogs begin at Calais altho' since the Tunnel they've started showing up all over. Oh well.... back to beating the servants.

And I won't even mention that the average working man in England didn't get the right to vote until after WW I (along with women).

Now that's just being silly. The average working man in England had women long before 1920.

Meade

[Long Run]

As for the original post, I think there are a lot of good ideas that are pragmatic and workable, rather than the soapbox pandering variety that has dominated the debate. The country is so reactive -- as if there is no immigration problem because the lousy economy has stopped the flow of illegals coming in from Mexico. And when the economy gets better and Mexico's economy continues to meander, guess which problem becomes huge again? How about addressing the issue now when it is not in crisis stage.

[dgs49]

Mexicans are prone to describing perceived discrimination against them as "racist," despite the fact that they are much more European than Amerindian. I believe an organization called, "La Raza" claims to speak for them.

Jews meet no rational definition of being a "race." In no sense was Disraeli anything other than Caucasian.

[Scooter]

Tell it to those of his contemporaries who certainly didn't treat him like one, particularly in the stereotypical caricatures of him that were frequently published in the press.

[Crackpot]

So we are now to take our geneology expertises from dgs?

I wonder what the Tay-Sachs disease would have to say about that?

[Lord Jim]

As for the original post, I think there are a lot of good ideas that are pragmatic and workable, rather than the soapbox pandering variety that has dominated the debate.

The fact of the matter is, the Democratic party and their allies within the Latino community, (Like La Raza) have done an excellent job at convincing a substantial portion of the the Latino electorate that opposition to illegal immigration equals anti-Latino racism, and that therefore the GOP is just racially against them.

This is utter nonsense, but my hat's off to them; the strategy has worked beautifully, at least at the national level. The polls clearly show this.

But of course my party plays into the hands of the demagogues when we have candidates who's approach on the immigration issue contains all sticks and no carrots.

The sticks are appropriate, but we need to have carrots as well.

We also need to do a much better job of reaching out and organizing within the Latino community. (We've done this effectively with the Cuban community in Florida but almost no where else.) We're starting to do a decent job with candidate recruitment, but we need to expand on that to grassroots organization.We need to get a message out to counter the La Raza types; a message of inclusion and laying out how the pro-growth policies of the party benefit them.

Many Latinos are conservative in a lot of ways; and as a group they are more religious than many other sectors of society. They also have a high percentage of small business owners. These are all folks we should naturally be able to attract to the party. (Latino business owners don't like government red tape any more than any other business owner does, for example, and Latinos are just as concerned about losing their jobs or finding one as anybody else.)

Anyone in my party who thinks we can just write Latino's off isn't thinking clearly. If we allow ourselves to get into something like an 80-20 split against us with this vote on an ongoing basis, then we will be consigned to permanent minority status in the very near future, at least as far as electing Presidents is concerned.

[Scooter]

The fact of the matter is, the Democratic party and their allies within the Latino community, (Like La Raza) have done an excellent job at convincing a substantial portion of the the Latino electorate that opposition to illegal immigration equals anti-Latino racism, and that therefore the GOP is just racially against them.

Let's not pretend that there isn't a significant racial component to arguments against illegal immigration. You don't often hear squaking about illegal immigrants from Canada (who are substantial in number) or about building a wall along the northern border. Then when you add in measures like those taken in Arizona, which are going to amount to looking at every brown skinned person as a potential illegal immigrant...

No, not all the rhetoric about illegal immigration is tinged with racism. But a substantial portion of it is. So perhaps it is incumbent on those who want to do something about illegal immigration to shut those people up, if they don't want their efforts to come to nothing.

[rubato]

Still waiting for proof that "Jewish" is a race.

Waiting and waiting.


Otherwise the election of BD is an example of nothing. (even though only a tiny percentage of the population of Britain were even allowed to vote then).


The election of Obama stands alone.

Speaking of elections, how is that Cameron working out with his double-dip recession policies?

yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

Retard having shot himself in the foot, yet again, tries throwing in yet another epic off-topic strawman to divert the attention of those laughing at him.

The Portuguese (Portuguese: os Portugueses) are a nation and ethnic group native to the country of Portugal, in the west of the Iberian peninsula of south-west Europe. Their language is Portuguese, and Roman Catholicism is the predominant religion.

Due to the large historical extent of the Portuguese Empire and the colonization of territories in Africa, Asia and the Americas, as well as historical and recent emigration, Portuguese communities can be found in many diverse regions around the globe, and a large Portuguese diaspora exists.

Benjamin Disraeli's biographers believe he was descended from Italian Sephardic Jews. He claimed Portuguese ancestry, possibly referring to an earlier origin of his family heritage in Iberia prior to the expulsion of Jews in 1492. After this event many Jews emigrated, in two waves; some fled to the Muslim lands of the Ottoman Empire, but many also went to Christian Europe, first to northern Italy, then to the Netherlands, and later to England.

[Gob]

Disraeli was offered as an example of someone racially different.

Not religiously different.

Do you girls even read your own crap?

Of course not. Too fucking stupid.

Oh look :

In becoming the first Western democracy to elect a racial minority to the highest office in the land in 2008, the United States once again demonstrated its “melting pot” quality to the world.

yrs,
rubato

Hmmmm...

His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Wichita, Kansas, and was of mostly English ancestry, along with Scottish, Irish, German, and Swiss. His father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

So, as he was born in Hawaii, which racial minority is he, retard?

[Lord Jim]

We can settle this quite easily rube...

Just present one single authoritative reference showing how Disraeli was the object of suspicion or criticism based on his membership in the "Portuguese race".....

Still waiting...

Waiting and waiting....

Otherwise, rube is once again talking out his buttocks....