Any idea why I have to log in every 20 minutes?

[MajGenl.Meade]

He pretended to be one on 'Take Your Pick"

[Gob]

Whatever happened to the heroes?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Hogan's or a bunch of very lonesome and quarrelsome ones?

[Gob]

The ones from Guilford.

[dales]

I didn't know Trotsky was a doctor...

I'm assuming that's Trotsky, since he was murdered by an assassin sent by Stalin to Mexico where he was living, in the late 1940s... with an ice pick....

Ice Picks?

I was thinking of this man:



Dr. Freeman performing a lobotomy using an "ice pick".

Trans orbital lobotmy (of the "third eye") and all that stuff.

Trotsky was murdered by a hatchet (overkill if one wishes to disturb the pre-frontal lobes).

[Lord Jim]

No Dale, Comrade Trotsky was killed with an ice pick:

One of the most notorious murder weapons in modern history, the ice-pick that killed Leon Trotsky, appears to have been found, 65 years after it was apparently stolen from the Mexican police.

The daughter of a former secret service agent claims she has the steel mountaineering instrument, which is stained with the blood of the Russian revolutionary.

Exiled by Joseph Stalin, Trotsky lived a relatively settled life in a leafy suburb of Mexico City until his death in 1940.

Trotsky was always fearful of assassination attempts organised by Stalin. He was finally caught off guard by Ramon Mercader, who on August 20 1940 got access to him on the pretext of needing help.

Once in the study, Mercader struck the creator of the Red Army in the head from behind with the shortened pick he had hidden under his clothes.

Murderer and ice-pick were taken into custody but the weapon later disappeared.

Now Ana Alicia Salas says her father, Commander Alfredo Salas, stole the pick because he wanted to preserve it for posterity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/16/past.russia

On August 20 1940, Leon Trotsky invited Frank Jacson into the study of his house in Coyoacan, Mexico City, so he could look over an article Jacson had written.

Trotsky was a central leader of the Bolshevik-led revolution in Russia in October 1917. He founded the Red Army, and led it to victory in the brutal civil war that followed the invasion of the young socialist state by several foreign armies in 1918.

Exiled by Joseph Stalin from the Soviet Union in 1929, by 1940 Trotsky had been living in Mexico City for three years, and had recently survived an assassination attempt in which Stalin's stooges had sprayed his bedroom with machine gun fire in the middle of the night.

Despite the constant threat from Stalin, and despite turning his house into a small fortress, Trotsky had refused to subject visitors to the indignity of a personal search.

Jacson — alias Jacques Mornard — was in fact Ramon Mercador, a member of the Spanish Communist Party and an agent of Stalin's secret police.

He had wormed his way into Trotsky's circle through his relationship with Sylvia Ageloff, whose sister Ruth was a reliable and devoted comrade of Trotsky's.

Concealed within the raincoat slung over his arm, Mercador had an ice pick and a 14-inch blade. As the defenceless Trotsky leaned over his manuscript, Jacson-Mornard-Mercador plunged the ice pick into his skull.

Despite his mortal injury, Trotsky fought back, and restrained the assassin until his bodyguards entered the room. Although the injury at first appeared relatively superficial, Trotsky died a day later after an unsuccessful operation.

So ended the life of a man who was an exemplary Marxist theoretician and revolutionary leader. His cowardly murderer, Mercador, was jailed by the Mexican authorities, but on his release was awarded the Order of Lenin by Leonid Brezhnev in Moscow in 1961.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/42919

(this is probably the one and only time you will ever see me post a link to "greenleft.org".... )

But my recollection was wrong in thinking that it was in the late 40's; apparently it was 1940.

[dales]

Well, Jim....when you're right - you're right.

I still stand by Dr. Freeman's use of an ice pick to perform lobotomies.

[Lord Jim]

Jeffery Dahmer tried to do that too....

[Lord Jim]

You know, I've seen threads take some pretty weird twists, but I have to say that to go from a question about getting kicked out of being logged-in to the board, to a discussion about ice pick lobotomies is probably one of the weirdest...

[dales]

I concur - we here are a rather eclectic bunch, no?

[Rick]

The daughter of a former secret service agent claims she has the steel mountaineering instrument, which is stained with the blood of the Russian revolutionary.

(from your post)

Actually Jimbob I wonder if you had the right "Ice Pick" in mind, pardon the pun...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4103306.stm

[Gob]

Better known as an ice axe.

[loCAtek]

I vote to give Kristina elimination immunity on this- Total Drama Island

[loCAtek]

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[loCAtek]

OK, it took me three tries to post that; I'm getting that message about half the time.

[oldr_n_wsr]

a question about getting kicked out of being logged-in to the board, to a discussion about ice pick lobotomies

Wouldn't the former, lead to the later?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Any idea why I have to log in every 20 minutes?

I would have said OCD

But I can only type those three capital letters on June 28th