The facts have kicked your ass to the curb once again.
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Only to someone who doesn't have the foggiest idea what is being discussed, and whose "facts" are other people's (irrelevant) information.
Asperger's syndrome is my diagnosis....
Asperger's syndrome is my diagnosis....
A pervasive developmental disorder, Asperger syndrome is distinguished by a pattern of symptoms rather than a single symptom. It is characterized by qualitative impairment in social interaction; by stereotyped and restricted patterns of behavior, activities, and interests; and by no clinically-significant delay in cognitive development, or general delay in language. Intense preoccupation with a narrow subject, one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody, and physical clumsiness are typical of the condition, but are not required for diagnosis
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Nine police officers have been injured dealing with trouble following the passing of a Protestant parade through the Catholic Ardoyne area in north Belfast.
Their injuries are not believed to be serious.
Petrol bombs and bricks have been thrown at police by nationalists and loyalists.
Police have responded by using water cannons to contain the crowds. Six plastic bullets have been fired.
There have been two arrests although police expect more to follow.
Three cars have also been hijacked and two of them pushed at police. At least one of them has been set alight.
Police are continuing to deal with "significant disorder" in the nationalist Brompton Park and Balhom Road areas in north Belfast.
A short distance away police were attacked with bricks and bottles thrown by loyalists on the Crumlin Road near the junction with Hesketh Road.
On the other side of the Ardoyne flashpoint zone at Twaddell Avenue, bricks and bottles were also thrown at police by loyalists.
The senior police officer in charge of the security operation in north Belfast, Assistant Chief Constable Will Kerr urged "individuals and communities" affected to respond to developing events in a "calm and responsible manner".
"Violence has serious and unwanted consequences for us all and we will robustly investigate all incidents of disorder," he said.
Some nationalists object to the parade which marks William III's victory at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.
Earlier, 24 Orange Order marchers completed a parade past the area.
The trouble broke out after Protestant Orangemen, who are members of north Belfast lodges, walked past a row of shops in the Catholic area.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Yep all quiet over there.
Tension, what tension???
*face - palm*
Tension, what tension???
*face - palm*
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And even more tension looming on the horizon:
US ruling reopens old 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland
A Boston College research project meant to collect testimony about Troubles-era crimes may now be a political time-bomb for Northern Ireland, thanks to a federal appeals court ruling.
By Jason Walsh, Correspondent / July 13, 2012
BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND AND DUBLIN, IRELAND
When Boston College launched its Belfast Project the aim was to create an insiders' oral history of Northern Ireland's so-called "Troubles" by collecting the testimonies of participants on all sides of the conflict. What no one expected was for history to rear up and become the present once more.
That is precisely what has now happened as a US federal appeals court has ruled that the researchers' right to free inquiry is overridden by the British state's right to investigate past crimes.
The July 6 ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit results from Boston College researchers Edmund Moloney and Anthony McIntyre's attempts to block two sets of subpoenas issued by the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). The PSNI wants access to the testimonies in order to pursue prosecutions for unsolved crimes – in this case one of the most unsettling of the murky 30-year war: the abduction and secret killing of Jean McConville in 1972.
Mr. Moloney is a respected senior journalist who covered the conflict for three decades while Mr. McIntyre is himself a former Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) member, turned academic.
Boston College is separately appealing the order enforcing one of the sets of subpoenas.
Ironically, all sides want the truth to be told – the question is when, under what circumstances, and if it will be the full historical record.
"The whole purpose of doing the archive was to establish some truth, as far as you can," says Moloney. "What you do is collect it together and look at it in the round."
The Belfast Project, hosted by Boston College, collected testimonies from pro-Irish republicans and pro-British loyalists about their activities during the 30-year-long Troubles, on the basis that the information would not be made public until after their deaths. The testimonies were meant to provide a frank history of the Troubles that might otherwise go untold. But the court decision has thrown this into disarray.
"They [the PSNI's Historical Enquiries Team] are trying to open a Pandora's box here, that has the potential to cause all sorts of damage," says Moloney.
The Disappeared
The case at issue centers on the testimony of former IRA member Dolours Price, whose interview with Moloney and McIntyre, police allege, may contain information about the circumstances surrounding Mrs. McConville's murder. Speculation is running wild that Ms. Price's testimony will link Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams to the killing, which, if true, could prove explosive to Northern Ireland's long-standing yet fragile peace accord and power-sharing government.
The murder of McConville is one of the most contentious killings of the Irish conflict. McConville, a Catholic convert and mother of 10, lived in West Belfast, ground zero for the early years of the conflict. In 1972 she was abducted and killed by the IRA. She subsequently became the best-known of "the disappeared," those believed to have been killed by the IRA in secret because it was feared that revulsion at their killing would have turned nationalists and republicans against the organization.
The IRA admitted responsibility for the killing in 1999, but claimed McConville was a spy, which her family denies. Her body was recovered in 2003, buried in County Louth in the Republic of Ireland.
After the court ruling, the material is expected to be handed over by Boston College in the next month.
In January 2012, Mr. Adams told Irish national broadcaster RTÉ he had "nothing to fear from any of this."
US Senator John Kerry is among those who have campaigned for the subpoenas to be overruled, arguing they could destabilize the settlement in Northern Ireland which sees the pro-British Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) share power with Irish republican Sinn Féin, once the political wing of the IRA.
DUP Member of Parliament Gregory Campbell welcomed the ruling, telling reporters: "This is a step closer to establishing if there is information in the tapes that might be of assistance to the authorities in Northern Ireland. This could lead to the investigation of many senior personnel within the IRA and other groups about matters they were involved in, and if that is the case it would be welcome."
Attorney John McBurney, who has represented the families of some of those murdered in the conflict, says the law must come before politics and so the tapes must be released.
"It would undoubtedly have an impact but the real difficulty of this is the Jean McConville file is an open file. In the midst of this there seems to be this tape which the PSNI simply couldn't ignore.
"It's unfortunate that it's such a politically sensitive case that is the test case, but as [British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland] Owen Patterson said, no matter who the finger points at, the law is the law," says Mr. McBurney.
McIntyre says the politicking has begun.
"Already you see the DUP's Peter Robinson [First Minister of Northern Ireland] calling for arrests [of republicans for past crimes] – he may be playing to the gallery, but the gallery is there to play to.
"Left to his own devices, Robinson wouldn't pull the plug [on the power-sharing arrangement], but that gallery is made up of people who instinctively hate the setup. Political instability can arise from this [including on the Irish republican side]," says McIntyre.
Conflicting Claims
In her ruling chief, 1st Circuit Chief Judge Sandra Lynch nixed Moloney and McIntyre's claim of academic research privilege as a constitutional exercise of freedom of speech, saying "the choice to investigate criminal activity belongs to the government and is not subject to veto by academic researchers."
The case has also raised hackles among journalists and academics who say source protection is sacrosanct.
The National Union of Journalists, a joint British-Irish organization, condemned the ruling, with General Secretary Michelle Stanistreet saying the ruling has “significant implications” for academic and journalistic research.
Tommy McKearney, an ex-IRA member now working as a labor activist and with ex-prisoners in a reconciliation project, says Boston College must shoulder its share of the blame for the situation.
"I would expect that academics would have at least the same amount of integrity as journalists. Journalists, by and large, will protect their sources. They're not protected by law but journalists put their foot down and say they'll go to jail rather than reveal sources," he says.
McIntyre also fears for his own safety.
"People who think the Provisional IRA have folded-up shop are foolish," he says.
"It doesn't seem right that my wife and children have to live under this stress. What can I do? Run away? To where? To abandon people? I have to take the researcher's risk," he says.
"Hang on while I log in to the James Webb telescope to search the known universe for who the fuck asked you." -- James Fell
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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AFTER a month of violent protests that left more than 40 police officers injured, dozens of rioters arrested, live rounds being fired on the streets of Belfast and politicians' offices torched, the dispute over the British flag has become a lightning rod for widespread loyalist disaffection with Northern Ireland's political process.
In working class east Belfast, loyalists are threatening to take their protests south of the border. The newly constituted Ulster People's Forum will hold a rally outside the Irish parliament next Saturday.
A loyalist working class and underclass disconnected from the mainstream unionist parties has established a movement that has focused grievances ranging from social deprivation to the alleged maltreatment of unionist victims of Northern Ireland's Troubles.
Some of its demands are wildly unrealistic, such as the reintroduction of direct rule from London.
The leaders emerging range from a former soldier who sells Nazi uniforms from a shop in Carrickfergus to veteran loyalists previously lukewarm about their paramilitary leadership's support for the peace process and the Good Friday agreement.
Many of the protests that later turned violent have been organised on an ad hoc basis through social media.
And while some loyalist paramilitaries, such as members of the Ulster Volunteer Force, have been in the vanguard, they have been unprepared for the depth of anger within their communities.
Leading figures in the Ulster Volunteer Force say they are concerned that extreme, anti-ceasefire elements, including loyalists with connections to the British far right, are trying to exploit the flag issue.
The Ulster People's Forum spokesman Willie Frazer said three coaches would take 150 people to the Irish capital this weekend.
''We will be challenging the Irish government to … stop flying the tricolour 365 days per year over the Dail [Ireland's parliament]. If nationalists insist we can't do this in Belfast, in our capital, then there should be full equality on this island. They should take down their flag.''
Mr Frazer added that among those coming to Dublin would be unionist victims of the IRA during the Troubles.
''They are coming down to tell [Irish Prime Minister] Enda Kenny and his government that they have reneged on their promise to meet and listen to them, to hear their concerns about collusion between the Irish state and the IRA.''
He also confirmed that the nascent protest movement would be targeting the home of Northern Ireland's First Minister and Democratic Unionist party leader, Peter Robinson.
''There is a lot of pressure on to picket Robinson's home, to make it clear to him on his doorstep that he is letting the loyalist, Protestant people down,'' Mr Frazer said.
The demonstrators would arrive in an Ireland that has lost its economic sovereignty to the International Monetary Fund and European Union, and where there is little sympathy for the international image of Ireland portrayed by the northern protests.
Several planned loyalist demonstrations close to a key sectarian divide in east Belfast, the Catholic enclave of Short Strand, are also in danger of ''creating fresh space for republican dissident terrorists'', according to Naomi Long, the MP for the area, who has herself received death threats over her Alliance party's role in the flag issue.
Mrs Long said the increasingly sectarian nature of the protests was ''enabling dissident republicans to offer themselves as defenders of their people''.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/belfast-fla ... z2HKg1nkY9
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