killing cougar?

[rubato]

That's just logic and facts.

Not your forte?
No one is surprised.

yours,
rubato

[Gob]

]

Oh stop the ignorant horse shit.

Cougars are being found (and shot) in Berkeley and Palo Alto neighborhoods which have existed for more than 100 years and have begun preying on hikers and joggers using trails in use for > 50 years. They are over-populated and need to be culled.

yrs,
rubato

Wrong again retard.

The status of the mountain lion in California evolved from that of "bountied predator" between 1907 and 1963, meaning monetary incentives were offered for every mountain lion killed, to "game mammal" in 1969, to "special protected mammal" in 1990. The change in legal status reflected growing public appreciation and concern for mountain lions.

Are mountain lion numbers increasing or decreasing in California?
Without an ongoing statewide mountain lion study, it is impossible to know what is happening on a statewide basis with populations. However, there are indications that mountain lion activity, such as depredation, attacks on people, and predation on prey populations, peaked in 1996, then decreased somewhat, and have remained stable for the past several years.

Are mountain lion attacks on humans common?
Mountain lion attacks on humans are rare. There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. The last documented attack occurred in January, 2007, in Humboldt County.

[loCAtek]

You're repeating what he just said; just in more detail. While they don't attack people much, they often will go after pets and livestock.
Leaving large predators in your yard, hardly seems like a good idea, no matter how you slice it.

[loCAtek]

In the State of California, if they are considered a threat to your property, family or livestock; you may obtain a permit to remove them, which may allow destroying the animal.

IV. Getting a Depredation Permit in California

A. Sighting or Public Safety (No Depredation Permit)

If a mountain lion is seen on one's property, or evidence of a lion is found such as scat, tracks, or a deer kill, a phone call to the California Department of Fish & Game may result in an officer coming out to investigate, or they may simply record your sighting over the phone. Because there has been no damage or immediate danger, a depredation permit is not issued. Seeing a lion is not legal cause to kill it. If the lion has not threatened any people, pets, or livestock, usually it is left alone to move on naturally. However, if an officer (CDFG or police department) responds and the lion is present, the fate of the cat is generally decided by the responding officer. If for whatever reason he deems the lion is a threat to public safety -- which can be as simple as "the lion is in an area near people or a school" -- the agencies have the authority to shoot the animal on site, or tranquilize and euthanize it later. CDFG's current policy (not legal documentation, just merely the internal consensus of the "higher-ups") is to never relocate any mountain lions. Therefore, officers who want to respond non-lethally have sometimes attempted to scare lions back into the wild with pepper-spray or rubber bullets.

B. Caught in the Act

If a mountain lion is found in the act of attacking a domestic animal or is seen as an immediate threat to human life, it may be killed by a resident, without repercussion, as long as the California Department of Fish & Game is immediately notified after the incident. CDFG will confirm it was the only option to prevent loss of life to people or property (pets or livestock being the property). A verbal depredation permit can be issued over the phone and followed up later with the necessary documentation. It is highly recommended to contact CDFG first, before any action is taken against the lion. If the Department finds there was no immediate danger, a shooter can be prosecuted for poaching since mountain lions are a specially protected mammal in California. The local police department and/or county sheriffs office can also respond to mountain lion-public safety calls to a 911 operator

C. After a Loss


Wildlife Incident Report
If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. The following steps give an overview of the process:

Depredation Permit
1.Call the California Department of Fish & Game's regional office
2. They will give the telephone number for a local biologist or warden
3. The responding officer will visit the property to determine if a lion is responsible
4. If a lion is responsible, and the owner wants it killed, the officer will
◦fill out a Wildlife Incident Report

◦issue a Depredation Permit (which expires after 10 days)
◦contact the USDA Wildlife Service's local county trapper to come out to track and kill the lion
5.If the mountain lion returns to the property within 10 days, the homeowner may kill it
6. If a mountain lion is killed during the 10 day time period
◦ a Depredation License Tag is filled out
◦ the carcass is turned over to CDFG
◦ the Wildlife Services trapper may also fill out a Reportable Animal Action Report

[Sean]

LMAO - Welcome to the board PMSP...

You're not a proper member until you've been subjected to Ruby's bile.

[rubato]

Having trouble with facts again?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... th_America

As you can see the frequency of attacks has gone up a lot in recent decades as the population of lions has increased and as they have moved into human-inhabited areas. There were six total in the 80 years up to 1970 but there were six just in the 1990s and five in the 2000's.:



Before 1970
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Arthur Dangle, 7, male June 19, 1890 Killed by two cougars while playing near his home in Quartz Valley, Siskiyou County, California
Isola Kennedy, 38, female; Earl Wilson, 10, male July 5, 1909 Rabid cougar attacked a woman and child in Morgan Hill in Santa Clara County, California. Both victims died from rabies, not from the physical injuries. This is the only instance of a double fatality and the only instance where the victims succumbed to disease rather than the injuries sustained in the attack.
Jimmie Fehlhaber, 13, male December 17, 1924 Attacked and killed in Olema, Washington as he tried to outrun a cougar for about 100 yards
Dominic Taylor, 7, male June 1949 Attacked and killed while walking on a beach in Kyuquot, British Columbia[1]
Unknown, Unknown, female 1951 Killed in Tampico, Mexico[2]
Elena Salzar, 5, female June 1953 Attacked, dragged off, and eaten in Tampico, Mexico[2]
1970s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Lawrence Wells, 12, male January 1971 Attacked and killed in Lytton, British Columbia by male cougar while playing with his sisters
Kenneth Clark Nolan, 8, male January 20, 1974 Killed by a 3 year old female cougar in Arroyo Seco, New Mexico
Thomas Harris, 26, male July 1976 Killed by a two year old male cougar near Gold River on British Columbia's Vancouver Island. He was dragged over 800 yards in the snow.
1980s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Jesse Sky Bergman, 9, male May 16, 1988 Stalked and killed by a four year old male cougar at Catface Mountain, near Tofino, British Columbia
Jake Thomas Gardipee, 5, male September 9, 1989 Attacked and killed by at least two, possibly three, cougars behind his Missoula County, Montana home while riding a tricycle
1990s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Scott Lancaster, 18, male January 14, 1991 Killed while jogging a familiar route on a hill above Clear Creek High School in Idaho Springs, Colorado[3]
Jeremy Williams, 7, male May 1992 Attacked and killed in Kyuquot, British Columbia by a young female cougar while playing in the school yard.[4]
Barbara Barsalou Schoener, 40, female April 23, 1994 Long distance runner and Placerville resident was attacked and killed while jogging on the American River Canyon Trail in California's Auburn State Recreation Area[5]
Iris M. Kenna, 56, female December 10, 1994 Killed while hiking alone near Cuyamaca Peak in California's Cuyamaca Rancho State Park[6]
Cindy Parolin, 36, female August 19, 1996 Mother killed while defending her 6 year old son on a horse back riding trip in British Columbia[7]
Mark Miedema, 10, male July 17, 1997 Killed by an adult female cougar in Colorado's Rocky Mountain National Park while hiking when he got ahead of his family[8]
2000s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Frances Frost, 30, female January 2, 2001 This Canmore, Alberta resident was killed by a cougar while skiing on Cascade Fire Road just north of Banff National Park in Alberta[9]
Mark Jeffrey Reynolds, 35, male January 8, 2004 Attacked and killed while mountain biking at Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in southern Orange County, California [10]
Robert Nawojski, 55, male June 24, 2008 Searchers found his body on this date near his mobile home in Pinos Altos, New Mexico. Investigators concluded that he had been attacked and killed by a cougar several days earlier.[11]

[liberty]

You're repeating what he just said; just in more detail. While they don't attack people much, they often will go after pets and livestock.
Leaving large predators in your yard, hardly seems like a good idea, no matter how you slice it.

I concur, I appreciate the big golden cat for it's beauty and grace at a distance that is. I wouldn’t want one to brunch on my dog or the neighbor’s kid. However, they generally are not dangerous unless they are hungry, but it is still a good idea to keep one's distance. We have a good relationship as long as he stays in the deep woods.

[Joe Guy]

The government needs to declare hunting season on pit bulls. They do much more damage than cougars.

[liberty]

Panther spotted near office building in Covington . Credit: St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office
The panther has returned to Louisiana and both black and white do occur occasionally with the black off spring having a better chance of survival, but I don’t buy this as a photo of a black panther. See the link; it looks likes like a house cat to me: http://www.wwltv.com/news/northshore/Pa ... 83468.html



Panther spotted near office building in Covington

wwltv.com
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

COVINGTON, LA - Workers from an office building on I-12 near Highway 190 in Covington said they spotted a black panther in the area.

A photograph of the animal was sent to the sheriff's office.

Deputies are asking residents in the area to be aware of the animal's existence and to call the Sheriff's Office if it is seen in close proximity to people, especially small children.

[dales]

The government needs to declare hunting season on pit bulls. They do much more damage than cougars.

People, Joe........people.

[Gob]

Oh stop the ignorant horse shit.

Cougars are being found (and shot) in Berkeley and Palo Alto neighborhoods which have existed for more than 100 years and have begun preying on hikers and joggers using trails in use for > 50 years. They are over-populated and need to be culled.

yrs,
rubato

Wrong again retard.

Mountain lion attacks on humans are rare. There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. The last documented attack occurred in January, 2007, in Humboldt County.

So Retard counters , my assertion "There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. "

With...

Having trouble with facts again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... th_America

As you can see the frequency of attacks has gone up a lot in recent decades as the population of lions has increased and as they have moved into human-inhabited areas. There were six total in the 80 years up to 1970 but there were six just in the 1990s and five in the 2000's.:

A Wikipedia article saying there was one more , and he thinks this proves him right.

I nearly bust a gut laughing!!!

Spoiled bastard shoots himself in the foot yet again....

[Lord Jim]

Well, having twice as many attacks take place in the 20 years since the hunting ban was put in effect as had taken in the 80 prior years doesn't seem insignificant to me.....

[rubato]

Oh stop the ignorant horse shit.

Cougars are being found (and shot) in Berkeley and Palo Alto neighborhoods which have existed for more than 100 years and have begun preying on hikers and joggers using trails in use for > 50 years. They are over-populated and need to be culled.

yrs,
rubato

Wrong again retard.

Mountain lion attacks on humans are rare. There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. The last documented attack occurred in January, 2007, in Humboldt County.

So Retard counters , my assertion "There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. "

With...

Having trouble with facts again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... th_America

As you can see the frequency of attacks has gone up a lot in recent decades as the population of lions has increased and as they have moved into human-inhabited areas. There were six total in the 80 years up to 1970 but there were six just in the 1990s and five in the 2000's.:

A Wikipedia article saying there was one more , and he thinks this proves him right.

I nearly bust a gut laughing!!!

Spoiled bastard shoots himself in the foot yet again....

You seem to have trouble reading and retaining what you have read. There were six Fatal attacks in the 1990s and five in the 2000's.

1990s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Scott Lancaster, 18, male January 14, 1991 Killed while jogging a familiar route on a hill above Clear Creek High School in Idaho Springs, Colorado[3]
Jeremy Williams, 7, male May 1992 Attacked and killed in Kyuquot, British Columbia by a young female cougar while playing in the school yard.[4]
Barbara Barsalou Schoener, 40, female April 23, 1994 Long distance runner and Placerville resident was attacked and killed while jogging on the American River Canyon Trail in California's Auburn State Recreation Area[5]
Iris M. Kenna, 56, female December 10, 1994 Killed while hiking alone near Cuyamaca Peak in California's Cuyamaca Rancho State Park[6]
Cindy Parolin, 36, female August 19, 1996 Mother killed while defending her 6 year old son on a horse back riding trip in British Columbia[7]
Mark Miedema, 10, male July 17, 1997 Killed by an adult female cougar in Colorado's Rocky Mountain National Park while hiking when he got ahead of his family[8]
2000s
Name, age, gender Date Location, comments
Frances Frost, 30, female January 2, 2001 This Canmore, Alberta resident was killed by a cougar while skiing on Cascade Fire Road just north of Banff National Park in Alberta[9]
Mark Jeffrey Reynolds, 35, male January 8, 2004 Attacked and killed while mountain biking at Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in southern Orange County, California [10]
Robert Nawojski, 55, male June 24, 2008 Searchers found his body on this date near his mobile home in Pinos Altos, New Mexico. Investigators concluded that he had been attacked and killed by a cougar several days earlier.[11]

Now really try to make sense?

Even LJ, who is as stupid as a turnip, thinks you're wrong about this.

yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

Ooh, look, retard's wiki entry has TWO MORE Kills than the source I found, therefore making his total up to eight.

Thus proving his assertion;

Oh stop the ignorant horse shit.

Cougars are being found (and shot) in Berkeley and Palo Alto neighborhoods which have existed for more than 100 years and have begun preying on hikers and joggers using trails in use for > 50 years. They are over-populated and need to be culled.

yrs,
rubato

He found two more over a period of over a hundred years?!?!? Wow, well in that case stamp out all cougars now then!!

[Lord Jim]

Even LJ, who is as stupid as a turnip,

LOL

There goes rube, showing his jealousy again....

He knows full well that no matter how much he might apply himself, he could never achieve the level of intellectual prowess and mental complexity of a turnip....

[rubato]

Ooh, look, retard's wiki entry has TWO MORE Kills than the source I found, therefore making his total up to eight.

Thus proving his assertion;

Oh stop the ignorant horse shit.

Cougars are being found (and shot) in Berkeley and Palo Alto neighborhoods which have existed for more than 100 years and have begun preying on hikers and joggers using trails in use for > 50 years. They are over-populated and need to be culled.

yrs,
rubato

He found two more over a period of over a hundred years?!?!? Wow, well in that case stamp out all cougars now then!!

Someone incapable of grasping the difference between 6 kills in 80 years vs six kills in 10 years is really not worth human thought. How fucking stupid do you have to be?

Oh right, Suck LJs dick stupid. That's how stupid you have to be.


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

Expressed another way....

The 6 attacks over 80 years represents an average annual average attack rate of .075....

The eleven attacks over the 20 year period from 1990 (when the hunting ban was put in effect) and 2010, represents an annual average attack rate of .55 attacks per year...

That's more than a seven fold increase in the average annual attack rate since the hunting ban was put in effect.

[Lord Jim]

Oh right, Suck LJs dick stupid. That's how stupid you have to be.

Pssst rube....

He's disagreeing with me....

You're the one agreeing with me.....

So that must be your head I see bobbing back and forth right below my waistline....

[Gob]

LOL!! What a horrible thought!

[loCAtek]

Meaning cougars are dangerous, and while protected- a person has a right to defend themselves against them.

So, back to the OP; how does what a person does legally in one state, impact what he does legally in another state?

It all seems political, and nowhere unethical.