Has the time come...

[Guinevere]

Simple as that? Are you fucking crazy? A group of unrelated people are going to demand that a member on a board with no rules submit herself to rehab before she can post again. Yeah, that's simply insane.

I'm one who is and has previously posted that I am uncomfortable with PMSP's presence here. Simply her presence is stalking - she doesn't have to write a single word directed at LoCa. I think it's creepy and odd and if she were my ex-boyfriend's partner, I"d be very uncomfortable. I'd bet that it is no coincidence she appeared here -- she certainly didn't stumble in on this place. Whether her actions are legally actionable or not are an entirely different story -- although this situation is precisely the reason I have reminded everyone about the TOS on multiple occasions.

As for the ridiculous thread that generated this thread, there are multiple people who should take responsibility for the crap splattered there. Blaming it all on LoCa is patently unfair. I vote no on a ban and/or suspension.

[Sean]

To be fair Guin there is only one person, not a group, who has made demands regarding lo's rehab.

[Joe Guy]

So, Andrew is the 'neutral counsel'.

That's a lot like having Al Sharpton on your side.

Good luck with that.

P.S. One way to evade a stalker is to not go where you know that person is lurking.

[Guinevere]

To be fair Guin there is only one person, not a group, who has made demands regarding lo's rehab.

Fair enough Sean. Hell, we'd all like for her to get some help, but Jar's suggestion as to making her membership contingent on same is beyond the pale.

[Guinevere]

P.S. One way to evade a stalker is to not go where you know that person is lurking.

So the person doing nothing wrong has to change their behavior because of a stalker? Sorry, that's the not how it should work -- nor how it works in the real world.

[Sean]

To be fair Guin there is only one person, not a group, who has made demands regarding lo's rehab.

Fair enough Sean. Hell, we'd all like for her to get some help, but Jar's suggestion as to making her membership contingent on same is beyond the pale.

Oh I agree with you 100% on that Guin. I think I made as much clear to Jarl.

[Scooter]

It's really very simple, Andrew. If loCA, or you, or anyone else mewling about this alleged "stalking" truly believes that it is occurring, you have a very simple soilution open to you - report it to the police. If you're not prepared to demonstrate enough belief in your own accusations to take that step, then why the fuck should any of the rest of us take it seriously?

So unless the very next post on the subject from any of you says "here is a legible image of the police report that was made about this alleged stalking" then none of you really believe it is happening. So your only purpose in pursuing this, otherwise, would be a need for drama, without any good faith belief in what you are saying whatsoever.

Put up or shut up. Your choice.

[Scooter]

So the person doing nothing wrong has to change their behavior because of a stalker? Sorry, that's the not how it should work -- nor how it works in the real world.

By the same token, Guin, someone who believes they are being stalked does not go out of their way to initiate contact with their alleged stalker at every opportunity in order to poke him/her in the eye with a stick, and then cry "stalker" whenever they manage to provoke a response. That is not the behaviour of a stalking victim, but of an attention seeking drama queen.

I'd bet that it is no coincidence [PMSP] appeared here -- she certainly didn't stumble in on this place.

I quite agree, but how did she find out about it, I wonder, unless it was loCA herself who mentioned it and gave her reason to be curious about what was being posted here. Again, not the behaviour of someone who believes they are the victim of stalking.

[Rick]

Since I seem to be a "shit" stirrer we'll make it easy.

Once I'm gone the stirring should cease, sorry for the drama queen stuff buuuut.

Gob please delete my account if I should decide to return I can create another (you'll know it's me).

Will miss ya'll, later

[Daisy]

Keld. Please dont think that you should leave over all this.

The last thing any of us want is more valuable members leaving because of it.

At least hold off until the poll closes later today and a decision on the situation has been made.

[Guinevere]

Scooter, yea there has been drama but that does not excuse the underlying stalking behavior in the first place.

As for reporting, since no one but Lo has the details needed for a credible report, that is up to her. She has been encouraged to do so, and if she truly has counsel reviewing threads to advise her, then she is taking appropriate steps.

[Crackpot]

If there is something I should take from the events of this weekend is that there comes a time for your own sake to put your foot down and take the necessesary even if undesireable action and let the chips fall where they may.

I vote for suspension.

[Econoline]

Care to apologise?

Didn't see this till now; just got home after working all night. Yes, I apologize to you, Taff, for including you with the others I mentioned.

Actually, I guess I should just withdraw the question, since the only one who was sure it was a threat and said so is Keld, and I'm obviously not going to get an answer from him. Keld, if by any chance you're still reading this, I just want to say that I'm bewildered and saddened by your reaction to this, and I hope you don't leave. I've always thought of you as a good guy, even-tempered and reasonable, and the board needs your presence now more than ever.

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I'm exhausted, Ive been running on caffeine for the last 20+ hrs, but I can't let this go without commenting, or I'll never fall asleep:

I'd bet that it is no coincidence [PMSP] appeared here -- she certainly didn't stumble in on this place.

I quite agree, but how did she find out about it, I wonder, unless it was loCA herself who mentioned it and gave her reason to be curious about what was being posted here. Again, not the behaviour of someone who believes they are the victim of stalking.

Scooter, if that's the only possibility you can think of, it's no wonder you blame Lo. She's made it quite clear that she believes it's actually her ex-husband who's doing the stalking and that his girlfriend is only acting as a surrogate here. As early as April 2010 she made the administrators of this board aware that he had apparently been lurking at the CSB in order to find out details of her life, work schedule, contact with neighbors, etc. and was worried that he might somehow track her here.

She sent me a copy of that letter, and since Gob and Hen gave her permission in that other thread to post anything she had sent them, I think I can quote a little bit of the very end of that long email:

I didn’t talk to anyone before because I didn’t know if had bugged the house, or had hacked my e-mail. If he has, I now have safety measures in effect.

So now, I’d like to post more at your place- he may not figure out where I’ve gone, hopefully. If any new posters try to log on with a San Jose ISP would you let me know? I know what he posts like.

I would never ask Gwen, such a thing, because I don’t trust her.

ThX for all your support,

More recently, at the beginning of the PMSP episode, she sent all the administrators this note:

This PMSP person has since stated they are in San Jose, and my Ex has tried to stalk through a sock-puppet before.

Here is the e-mail I sent Gob, in 2010, I had hoped he'd share it with you. If not here it is;

[she then quotes that long long earlier letter, including personal details that I would feel uncomfortable sharing here]
[then she concludes:]

I have a few security measures in effect, but I still lack the physical evidence to show the court, that I can petition for a restraining order. Obviously, the bottom line for the stalking is to still have power/control over me.

On the one hand, at least my Ex/Stalker is out in the open now, but last time ignoring his presence, just brought him to try coming 'round my home in person.

Of course, I've told my roommate and neighbors to watch out for him; my biggest concern is that I have kids living here now and he's not below manipulating them. He's not stupid, nor brash, but in fact quite cunning. So, he'll try to push the envelope to the limit of what is legal.

Of course you can--and you probably will--say that you don't believe a word of it...but now you can't say that the only explanation you can think of for PMS Princess' discovery of this place is that Lo gave her the information herself.

And with that, I'll say good night/morning/afternoon/whatever and finally go to bed.

[Lord Jim]

It's most likely that LoCa's ex was aware of the CSB since LoCa was posting there while she was still with him....

And after they broke up, for whatever reasons (I can think of both good reasons and bad reasons) he kept tabs on her there, and from checking on the CSB he found out about Plan B....

[Gob]

All this "stalking" proves, if it proves anything, which I doubt, is that someone has been keeping an eye on what Lo posts on the net.

And we've all seen what Lo posts on the net, haven't we?

Would anyone else who has been related to Lo, and knows how she is a one woman;
"LOOK AT MY FUCKED UP LIFE, EVERYONE ELSE IS TO BLAME"
broadcasting machine, not do so?

You'd be very silly not to.

BTW, how many here have been subjected to Lo's off board "I want advice, but don't expect me to take it" routine?

Has anyone not?

We had a brief respite from Lo, during which the board functioned amicably, and the profound disagreements (for example) between Dave and Grim, were as heated as it got.

Lo brings a whole world of other problems, she brings her life problems to the board, and is relentless in perusing attention to HERSELF.

That is not the boards function I'm afraid.

[Scooter]

Of course you can--and you probably will--say that you don't believe a word of it

You're absolutely right, I don't believe a word of it. When challenged to provide that very evidence that she had notified Gob and Hen about this alleged "stalking", she came up with a few lines of jibberish that proved nothing of the kind. Then she miraculously comes up with the very statements for you that she was unable to reproduce in public.

How about this - she took a pre-existing email she sent to Hen and Gob, appended those few lines to it, sent it off to you and said "See! I told you I warned them about my stalker!" I guess that possibility didn't occur to you, did it?

[Gob]

Nailed it!

[Gob]

Care to apologise?

Didn't see this till now; just got home after working all night. Yes, I apologize to you, Taff, for including you with the others I mentioned.

Cheers mate, that is very much appreciated.

[Andrew D]

So, Andrew is the 'neutral counsel'.

No, I am not.

[Andrew D]

I'm one who is and has previously posted that I am uncomfortable with PMSP's presence here. Simply her presence is stalking - she doesn't have to write a single word directed at LoCa.

The people defending PMS Princess know that perfectly well, Guinevere. They just don't care.