What the fuss is all about

[MajGenl.Meade]

Among Nakoula's aliases were names which sounded similar to Sam Bacile.

Im Bacile?

[Gob]

This will reduce tensions....

Coalition MP George Christensen has suggested that the small child who held up a sign which read "behead all those who insult the prophet" during weekend protests should be put in the care of "better people".



The Queensland MP said that authorities should track down the parents of the child "immediately" - as they would when another child was exposed to "such a violent upbringing".

NSW Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward said that the Department of Community Services was still looking for the identity of the child and the family.

In a widely circulated photo of the weekend's violent protests, the child - who appears to be about three or four - is holding the sign above his head. A woman is taking a photo of the child, who is standing next to a baby in a pram.

“Using a toddler to peddle an incitement to violent killing is disgusting and I think the Australian public would expect the authorities to take up the matter with the parents,” Mr Christensen said in a statement.

“If the parents are exposing their children to religious hatred and encouraging violence then perhaps those children should be put in the care of better people.”

Mr Christensen said that authorities should also track down the parents of eight-year-old Ruqya, who talked of her love of jihad at the Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in Sydney on the weekend.

"Kids of this age should be playing hide and seek, not calling for jihad or beheadings," he said.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political ... z26iXnrOpJ

[oldr_n_wsr]

Let them all march down the middle of the Long Island Expressway. I'm four houses away and have a clear line of fire. And I don't miss

I wonder how many of these protestors have even seen the movie (or even the posted trailer)

[Grim Reaper]

A lot of them have said they haven't seen it. They're just offended that it exists because they've been told to be offended.

I remember when Dogma was released, a lot of Christians protesting the movie had never seen it. They just knew they should be offended by it. But at least Christians weren't burning down embassies and killing people over it.

[Big RR]

I remember the same thing with Jesus Christ Superstar in the 60s (now it seems to have been accepted by a lot of christian denominations) and the film Hail Mary in the 80s; most of those yelling the loudest knew little of either, other than what their "leaders" told them. I agree there weren't killing, but IMHO that's a combination of culture and the belief that their concerns are at least heard. When people feel fairly powerless, they more often turn to violence.

The educated moselms I know (granted it's not a random sample, but college educated men and women living in the US) would never embrace that violence, regardless of how offensive they find things (and many would take significant offense to offensive depictions of mohammed, etc.). Kind of like what many christians, even educated ones, would find about offensive depixtions of jesus.

[Lord Jim]

It's worth noting that while these demonstrations at the Embassies have been widespread, most of them haven't been very large, (even the one in Cairo that started this brouhaha was only a few hundred people...)

[Econoline]

Hey, somebody remind me...just WHO is bringing dishonor upon Islam, now???

[oldr_n_wsr]

ME!!!

[Gob]

The mother of a young child who was seen holding a sign saying "behead all those who insult the prophet" during the Sydney riots has spoken to police, with authorities deeming her children to be safe.

A spokesman for Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward told smh.com.au the woman had presented herself to police overnight.

"She did come forward and police have checked the children and they're safe," he said.



"There's been no other reports to our helpline in regards to these children."

He said there were no plans to remove the children from their family.

The photo of the young child holding the sign while standing next to a baby in a stroller in Hyde Park has become one of the most evocative and highly circulated images from the riots in Sydney's CBD on Saturday.

[Grim Reaper]

Apparently the people in the film didn't know anything about the anti-Islam intentions. They filmed their scenes, and their voices were later dubbed over to create the film we see now.

[Gob]

Dos that really matter? These muslim fanatics have kicked off, and demanded death, over fucking cartoons.

[Scooter]

It doesn't excuse any of that, but the filmmaker clearly knew that what he was doing was going to create a shitstorm, and he hid his true intentions from them in order to trick them into helping him do it. And he gave no thought to the fact that he was painting a huge target on the backs of all the actors by virtue of their participation in something they would have never consented to do if he had been upfront with them.

[Gob]

Why were some protesters chanting ''Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell''?

When prominent Muslim leaders cannot even begin to fathom how some Muslim youth have mentioned corpses when apparently protesting about a movie, we need to question whether the real problem is that such leaders are incredibly out of touch with the reality of Muslim youth in this country. Waleed Aly has correctly identified that, ''This isn't about the film''. Correct.

Rather than dismissing these protests as an excuse for these youth to ''feel good about themselves'' or as a public statement of righteousness, we need instead to give genuine consideration to why our youth are acting in this manner. We need to give the situation context.

The reference to corpses made by these protesters is not at all surprising to anybody who has worked closely with the Muslim community. They are referring to those killed in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq; they are referring to the many children killed by US drone attacks; they are referring to the Rohingya Muslims burnt to death in Burma; they are referring to Uyghur Muslims being persecuted in China; they are referring to the daily oppression of Palestinians; they are referring to the war on terrorism which they see as targeting Muslims; they are referring to Kashmir, Guantanamo Bay, Chechnya, and the many other places around the world where they witness injustice and persecution.

So no, this is not entirely about some poor-quality YouTube clip. These youth are basically protesting against the broader context of Islamophobia, within which this clip is not only being produced and propagated, but also defended as freedom of speech.

Bollocks.

[dales]

Then "paradise" it shall be for these cretins.

[Gob]

Salman Rushdie all over again?

A Pakistani government minister has offered a $100,000 (£61,616) reward for the death of the maker of an anti-Islam film produced in the US.

Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilour said he would pay the reward for the "sacred duty" out of his own pocket.

A government spokesman condemned the remarks and said it was considering taking action against Mr Bilour.

The comments came a day after at least 20 people died in clashes between anti-film protesters and Pakistani police.

Friday's violence occurred in cities throughout Pakistan, with Karachi and Peshawar among the worst hit.

"I will pay whoever kills the makers of this video $100,000," the minister said. "If someone else makes other similar blasphemous material in the future, I will also pay his killers $100,000.

"I call upon these countries and say: Yes, freedom of expression is there, but you should make laws regarding people insulting our Prophet. And if you don't, then the future will be extremely dangerous."

His ANP party, which is part of the governing coalition, told the BBC this was a personal statement, not party policy, but added that it would not be taking any action against him.

[Lord Jim]

A government minister publicly putting out a hit....

[Gob]

just doing what so many others have wanted to do....

[Lord Jim]

When I read an article recently about a new round of cartoons being put out making fun of Mohamed, it made me think that maybe there's a better way to deal with this problem...

Maybe the best way to deal with folks who think that it's legitimate to burn buildings and kill people at random whenever your religion is insulted, is to flood the market with so many insults, that it wears them out trying to be offended by them all....

When you think about it, acting with mindless outrage requires a lot of energy; it's tough to maintain if you're overwhelmed with things to be outraged about....

What if we had hundreds; no, thousands, of cartoons, videos, jokes, pictures, etc., insulting the Islamic religion flooding every avenue of media....

To the point that it basically became "background noise"; common place; far more easy to ignore than to get worked up over....

Perhaps then when there were so many things to become "outraged" about that it was impossible to keep up the outrage, they'd move on.....

[Gob]

I'm game!!

[Lord Jim]

I hope my last post doesn't go viral....

I'll wind up with a fatwa on my head....