Republicans letting another winnable Senate seat slip away

[Lord Jim]

As much as you'd like to paint them as far lefties they don't have the ideological purity/unity that the Tea partiers have.

Oh, I completely disagree, CP....

They had every bit as much ideological stupidity fervor...(I remember one MacArthur Candidate in particular who suggested we eliminate money... )

But they lacked the organizing skills, and drive, and discipline to put out their blunts, get of their asses, and actually accomplish something...

When push came to shove, they preferred to fire up a fattie....

They really splashed lemon meringue all over the faces of the liberal mainstream media spokesthings who a year ago were confidently predicting what an "important social movement" the fleabaggers represented...

A populist uprising of the 99%!!

They really wanted it to be so...

When you try to make the cutting edge of your "revolution" out of hygiene challenged people who would rather just kick back, hustle change , smoke weed, and guzzle a 40 ounce, you shouldn't be surprised at the results you get....

I wasn't....

ETA:

I'm proud to say that I predicted the flop of the Fleabag Movement over a year ago, while all the liberal pundits in Pundit Land were having orgasms over what a "great social movement" this bunch represented...

[Big RR]

Jim--I'm not all that surprised either that they didn't get candidates nominated, but because that was never their intent. They wanted to get issues brought to the table, and for a while participated in the conversation of what should be done; but the mainstream media turned on them when they saw that the "movement" had no real political ambitions and they were changed from a promising social movement to dirty, unrealistic hippies in the public mind. And so the democratic party continues ignoring the important issues and courting the middle relying on their traditional supporters as having nowhere else to go, and will continue doing so until these people do find somewhere else to go.

and, FWIW, I think both parties have moved considerably to the right since the 70s (and the center has shifted o the right along with them; one need not be a dyed in the wool communist to be to the left of the current democratic party, and many of the OWS people were not--many were fiscally moderate and socially liberal. On the other hand, the Teabaggers do appear to have grabbed the extreme right. I think we need parties that are not afraid to embrace policies left or right of center, rejecting both the extremes and the complacency of pursuing the center, afraid to do anything which might show they have a policy that can be labelled otherwise.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I think we need parties that are not afraid to embrace policies left or right of center, rejecting both the extremes and the complacency of pursuing the center, afraid to do anything which might show they have a policy that can be labelled otherwise.

Probably the most intelligent and profound statement I have seen on this board in a long time.

[rubato]

The purpose of the OWS group was not to be whores for power, form a party and elect candidates, or entail them with stupid pledges, like Grover Norquist, the purpose was to re-frame the debate about how we should be governed as a society.

And in that they have been very successful. People have started asking some better questions about the purpose and goals of government. And people have been looking for better ways to measure success, or even progress.

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[Lord Jim]

The purpose of the OWS group was not to be whores for power, form a party and elect candidates, or entail them with stupid pledges, like Grover Norquist, the purpose was to re-frame the debate about how we should be governed as a society.

If that was the purpose, they failed utterly....

I'm not surprised that you don't understand how successful political movements effect politics, (it melds quite well with all the other things you don't understand; history, philosophy, economics, theology, science, basic math, the English language....I suppose that once you've figured out how to not understand anything, the rest just falls into place....) but if you really believe that those urban campers in someway "re-framed" the "debate" about "how we should be governed as a society" then in addition to drinking heavily, you must be smoking crack....

The evidence for that is precisely zero....

Let me tell you what evidence for the success of your claim would look like, in our political system...

It would involve serious politicians seeking political office who felt they had to cater to this "re-framed debate"....

Aside from maybe Elizabeth Warren, I can't think of a single one....

In fact, most of the folks on Democratic side of aisle running for office, are either running away from this "re-framed debate" or denying that it even exists....

Of course in order for you to know this, you would have to know something about the contemporary national political dialogue, which of course is on that list of subjects as long as a roll of toilet paper that you know absolutely nothing about....

[Gob]

"The things he does not know would fill many books"

[Long Run]

Aside from maybe Elizabeth Warren, I can't think of a single one....

And, of course, she is an example of the Democrats selecting a candidate who takes a sure win and makes the Republican the favorite -- kind of the exact thing this thread is about. Guess the Rs don't have a monopoly on shooting themselves in the foot.

[rubato]

Romney is losing. Everywhere.

Ryan's lies are being exposed. Everywhere.

That is evidence. For those who can see.


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[Lord Jim]

"The things he does not know would fill many books"

We could construct a whole new annex building for the Library of Congress, just to contain it....

That's one of the things I find so intriguing about rube...

I don't know anyone IRL (frankly, unless they were a relative, I wouldn't put up with it) who knows so little about so many things, but who never the less is willing to expound on those things he knows nothing about, at great length, and with an affected air of faux authority to boot....

Clouseau Syndrome....

[Gob]

Which is why he's so popular here...

[rubato]

Romney is losing. Everywhere.

Ryan's lies are being exposed. Everywhere.

That is evidence. For those who can see.

for those who care about evidence.



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[Gob]

Romney is losing. Everywhere.

Ryan's lies are being exposed. Everywhere.

That is evidence. For those who can see.

for those who care about evidence.



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Can you point out where anyone has claimed any different?

That's what's called "being able to understand" evidence.

[Lord Jim]

Aside from maybe Elizabeth Warren, I can't think of a single one....

And, of course, she is an example of the Democrats selecting a candidate who takes a sure win and makes the Republican the favorite -- kind of the exact thing this thread is about. Guess the Rs don't have a monopoly on shooting themselves in the foot.

Long Run, as I've said before, more than any other race in the country, I really want the GOP to win this one...

It's the flip side of those races where there have been strident ideologues in my party running against reasonable people...(though on the GOP side, that seems to have happened most frequently in primaries)

It would be nice to be on the winning side of that equation....

[rubato]

Which is why he's so popular here...

Being popular among people as poisonous and mean as you is not a positive trait.

It means they are as evil as you are. Look around. What happened to all of the 'good posters' like AndyH? GrossDad? BSG?

They were driven off by your diseased personalities.

Anyone you liked is deserving of disgust.


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[Gob]

Which is why he's so popular here...

Being popular among people as poisonous and mean as you is not a positive trait.

It means they are as evil as you are. Look around. What happened to all of the 'good posters' like AndyH? GrossDad? BSG?

They were driven off by your diseased personalities.

Anyone you liked is deserving of disgust.


yrs,
rubato

I'm still in touch with Andy H and Grossdad, are you?

What was that about "being popular among people as poisonous and mean as you"? Is that how you see Andy H and Grossdad?

[rubato]

They're gone.

Only shit like you remains. Only shit like LJ and dales and sean remains.

Pretending that they're still 'your friends' on facebook does nothing. They're gone. Gone. Not here any more.

This isn't some fucking school-girl popularity contest. They're gone.

That is empirical reality.

They're too smart to waste their time here any more.


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[Gob]

I do not use facebook, I'm in e-mail contact with them.

Are you?

I know first hand why they no longer post here (not that AndyH ever did to any extent.)

Do you know why they do not?

[Lord Jim]

Being popular among people as poisonous and mean as you is not a positive trait.

So mastering the skill of being poisonous and mean, and unpopular, is what sort of trait rube? (Because you seem to have that one down pat...)

BTW, is there some place where you are popular? (And don't say Smitty's, because even though I haven't posted there for awhile, I still breeze through occasionally, and it's pretty obvious that you're not winning "Miss Congeniality" over there either...though the stricter rules of decorum keep your more toxic behavior in check...I understand you've received more than one warning....)

So if there is some forum where you're "popular" let me know what it is...

I give you my word as a gentleman, (and unlike you I am a gentleman, and my word is good) that I will not post on or join this remarkable forum where rubato is "popular"...

I'd just like to see it...Sort of like having the opportunity to see a Unicorn, or a Griffin....

[rubato]

I do not use facebook, I'm in e-mail contact with them.

Are you?

I know first hand why they no longer post here (not that AndyH ever did to any extent.)

Do you know why they do not?

They're gone.

Make all the excuses you like, they 're gone.

Pule about emails all you like, they're gone. You've driven most of the good posters away.

I'm here just to point out reality. Go back to what'serfuck "wendy"? You're no better than she was. Worse in some ways.

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[Lord Jim]

So the answer to my question would be "no, there is no forum where rubato is popular"...

Well, in all honesty it was a rhetorical question...