Obama's mother was a right goer!

[Scooter]

Which still does not mean that he could not be tried on criminal charges in a regular court.

Keep trying.

[Lord Jim]

And, democrats would not impeach democrat president that is my opinion.

One who murdered someone on national television?

Yeah, lib, I think they probably would....

And Republicans would vote to impeach a Republican President who murdered someone on national television...

Within a matter of hours they'd be impeached and removed from office, and then handed over to law enforcement...

That's the sort of thing that would bring about a rare moment of bipartisanship.....

Kind of a silly example, lib....

[liberty]

error

[liberty]

Which still does not mean that he could not be tried as a sitting presidenton criminal charges in a regular court.

Keep trying.

Fixed that for you; that is what you meant to say .

[liberty]

And, democrats would not impeach democrat president that is my opinion.

One who murdered someone on national television?

Yeah, lib, I think they probably would....

And Republicans would vote to impeach a Republican President who murdered someone on national television...

Within a matter of hours they'd be impeached and removed from office, and then handed over to law enforcement...

If Clinton had been a Republican president he would have been convicted by the senate.

[Scooter]

Fixed that for you; that is what you meant to say .

I wrote exactly what I intended to say. I can't help it if you write the first thing that pops into what passes for your brain when you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.

[liberty]

he could always be tried after his term ended.

I don't know if that is ,as they say, a slam dunk either:

http://law.onecle.com/constitution/arti ... unity.html

Rare has been the opportunity for the Court to elucidate its opinion in Mississippi v. Johnson, and, in the Watergate tapes case,728 it held the President amenable to subpoena to produce evidence for use in a criminal case without dealing, except obliquely, with its prior opinion. The President’s counsel had argued the President was immune to judicial process, claiming “that the independence of the Executive Branch within its own sphere . . . insulates a President from a judicial subpoena in an ongoing criminal prosecution, and thereby protects confidential Presidential communications.”729 However, the Court held, “neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances.”730 The primary constitutional duty of the courts “to do justice in criminal prosecutions” was a critical counterbalance to the claim of presidential immunity, and to accept the President’s argument would disturb the separation-of-powers function of achieving “a workable government” as well as “gravely impair the role of the courts under Art. III.”731

Present throughout the Watergate crisis, and unresolved by it, was the question of the amenability of the President to criminal prosecution prior to conviction upon impeachment.732 It was argued that the impeachment clause necessarily required indictment and trial in a criminal proceeding to follow a successful impeachment and that a President in any event was uniquely immune from indictment, and these arguments were advanced as one ground to deny enforcement of the subpoenas running to the President.733 Assertion of the same argument by Vice President Agnew was controverted by the Government, through the Solicitor General, but, as to the President, it was argued that for a number of constitutional and practical reasons he was not subject to ordinary criminal process.734

[/red]T728 United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).

729 418 U.S. at 706.

730 Id.

731 418 U.S. at 706-07. The issue was considered more fully by the lower courts. In re Grand Jury Subpoena to Richard M. Nixon, 360 F. Supp. 1, 6-10 (D.D.C. 1973) (Judge Sirica), aff’d sub nom., Nixon v. Sirica, 487 F.2d 700, 708-712 (D.C. Cir. 1973) (en banc) (refusing to find President immune from process). Present throughout was the conflicting assessment of the result of the subpoena of President Jefferson in the Burr trial. United States v. Burr, 25 Fed. Cas. 187 (No. 14,694) (C.C.D.Va. 1807). For the history, see Freund, Foreword: On Presidential Privilege, The Supreme Court, 1973 Term, 88 HARV. L. REV. 13, 23-30 (1974).

732 The impeachment clause, Article I, ¤ 3, cl. 7, provides that the party convicted upon impeachment shall nonetheless be liable to criminal proceedings. Morris in the Convention, 2 M. FARRAND, THE RECORDS OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION OF 1787 500 (rev. ed. 1937), and Hamilton in THE FEDERALIST, Nos. 65, 69 (J. Cooke ed. 1961), 442, 463, asserted that criminal trial would follow a successful impeachment.

733 Brief for the Respondent, United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974), 95-122; Nixon v. Sirica, 487 F.2d 700, 756-58 (D.C. Cir. 1973) (en banc) (Judge MacKinnon dissenting). The Court had accepted the President’s petition to review the propriety of the grand jury’s naming him as an unindicted coconspirator, but it dismissed that petition without reaching the question. United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. at 687 n.2.

734 Memorandum for the United States, Application of Spiro T. Agnew, Civil No. 73-965 (D.Md., filed October 5, 1973).

Finally, most recently, the Court has definitively resolved one of the intertwined issues of presidential accountability. The President is absolutely immune in actions for civil damages for all acts within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties.

[MajGenl.Meade]

The President is absolutely immune

[liberty]

he could always be tried after his term ended.

Present throughout the Watergate crisis, and unresolved by it, was the question of the amenability of the President to criminal prosecution prior to conviction upon impeachment.732 It was argued that the impeachment clause necessarily required indictment and trial in a criminal proceeding to follow a successful impeachment and that a President in any event was uniquely immune from indictment, and these arguments were advanced as one ground to deny enforcement of the subpoenas running to the President.733 Assertion of the same argument by Vice President Agnew was controverted by the Government, through the Solicitor General, but, as to the President, it was argued that for a number of constitutional and practical reasons he was not subject to ordinary criminal process.734

[/red]T728 United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).

729 418 U.S. at 706.

730 Id.

731 418 U.S. at 706-07. The issue was considered more fully by the lower courts. In re Grand Jury Subpoena to Richard M. Nixon, 360 F. Supp. 1, 6-10 (D.D.C. 1973) (Judge Sirica), aff’d sub nom., Nixon v. Sirica, 487 F.2d 700, 708-712 (D.C. Cir. 1973) (en banc) (refusing to find President immune from process). Present throughout was the conflicting assessment of the result of the subpoena of President Jefferson in the Burr trial. United States v. Burr, 25 Fed. Cas. 187 (No. 14,694) (C.C.D.Va. 1807). For the history, see Freund, Foreword: On Presidential Privilege, The Supreme Court, 1973 Term, 88 HARV. L. REV. 13, 23-30 (1974).

732 The impeachment clause, Article I, ¤ 3, cl. 7, provides that the party convicted upon impeachment shall nonetheless be liable to criminal proceedings. Morris in the Convention, 2 M. FARRAND, THE RECORDS OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION OF 1787 500 (rev. ed. 1937), and Hamilton in THE FEDERALIST, Nos. 65, 69 (J. Cooke ed. 1961), 442, 463, asserted that criminal trial would follow a successful impeachment.

733 Brief for the Respondent, United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974), 95-122; Nixon v. Sirica, 487 F.2d 700, 756-58 (D.C. Cir. 1973) (en banc) (Judge MacKinnon dissenting). The Court had accepted the President’s petition to review the propriety of the grand jury’s naming him as an unindicted coconspirator, but it dismissed that petition without reaching the question. United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. at 687 n.2.

734 Memorandum for the United States, Application of Spiro T. Agnew, Civil No. 73-965 (D.Md., filed October 5, 1973).

Finally, most recently, the Court has definitively resolved one of the intertwined issues of presidential accountability. The President is absolutely immune in actions for civil damages for all acts within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties.

Gob, why is it that the curser jumps when I try high light a section of text in red.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I bet it's because you are at the 'bottom' of the screen so to speak. I find that the cursor jumps all over the damn place once I've typed more than two paragraphs. It insists on scrolling higher and I can't see the lower half of any long message. I can place the cursor behind the last character but immediately it jumps up to text higher on the screen and any instruction (other than a simple text character) goes with it. The only solution I found was to copy/delete the first part of any large post (pasting it onto Notepad or Word); completing the 'bottom' part of the post; then pasting the top back in

Meade

[liberty]

I bet it's because you are at the 'bottom' of the screen so to speak. I find that the cursor jumps all over the damn place once I've typed more than two paragraphs. It insists on scrolling higher and I can't see the lower half of any long message. I can place the cursor behind the last character but immediately it jumps up to text higher on the screen and any instruction (other than a simple text character) goes with it. The only solution I found was to copy/delete the first part of any large post (pasting it onto Notepad or Word); completing the 'bottom' part of the post; then pasting the top back in

Meade

That is what is happening, thanks general is. And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

[Lord Jim]

And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

Oh, you just had to go there....

[liberty]

And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

Oh, you just had to go there....

U oh, is my foot on a land mine. Tell me when I can move.

[Long Run]

And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

Oh, you just had to go there....

At least he didn't ask about his Leonard Cohen picture. Whoops.

[Sue U]

And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

Dan Sickles, is that you?

[liberty]

And why did you chose the name Meade; it is not like he was a great general or something?

Dan Sickles, is that you?

Who is that and what is the significance of his name?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Don't get me started..... Dan Sickles was a murdering (truly) rat who did his best to lose Gettysburg until the genius of George Gordon Meade came up with the unique and brilliant military idea for everyone to shoot guns at the enemy until they went away.

Meade was the first general to beat Robert E Lee (that's at Gettysburg). He was the only commander to break through at Fredericksburg only to have idiots (and Burnside) call him back. He was well on his way to trouncing Lee again at Chancellorsville when once more he was called back by Hooker. When Grant went south, he developed strategy and left the tactics to Meade who lead the Army of the Potomac to victory. With some help from Sherman of course.

I append a highly important, not to mention fictitious, document from the pen of Major General Meade (aka Lighthouse Harry)

FLIGHTING JOE



CAMP NEAR FALMOUTH, VA., May 19, 1863.

To John Sergeant Meade:


I am sorry to tell you I am at open war with Hooker. He yesterday came to see me and said that Reynolds and myself had determined him to withdraw from Chancellorsville. He acknowledges that I favored an advance but claims it was only because I thought it impracticable to withdraw the army. Since he knew it was perfectly practicable to withdraw, he counted my urging our advance as an endorsement of retreat.

This is all of a piece for the man who began his campaign announcing he would have no mercy on Lee and who told Mr. Lincoln that there was no “if” in regard to getting to Richmond. Yet once we were fairly on our way to achieve both of his boasts, he pulled our triumphant divisions back to that fatal tavern and had the blind gall to tell Couch that now he had got Lee just where he wanted him. Apparently he intended to lure our enemy into a drinking contest at the bar.

I would have you keep from your mother what I am about to relate. Hooker’s men frequented an unsavory area of our capital so often in their pursuit of fallen women that the place received the name Hooker’s Division. Hooker maintained his own headquarters as what amounted to a brothel for the savage amusement of himself and his particular cronies, Kilpatrick and Butterfield. Hooker it has been said is a quarrelsome drunkard without respect for his superiors.

Before the battle he announced that he would play with the enemy, these devils he called them, before springing into action. Couch swears that he used his breath to inflate those balloons that he caused to be elevated above the army to observe their positions. Couch also says that Hooker forswore liquor after he got across the Rappahannock which perhaps is what caused the shaking of his nerve. Heretofore, Hooker has always been steadfastly brave one must say.

I asked my orderly Private Kowell what was the opinion of the men. His baffling reply was that having become supine, Hooker got from Lee exactly what Hooker always got when in that position. This common soldier is an ignoramus on the war and I may have to replace him. He should have known that Hooker never was before in the vicinity of Chancellorsville.

The battle was a miserable failure, in which Hooker disappointed me greatly. His plan was admirably designed but he delayed and failed to take advantage of enemy errors. He then assumed the defensive, doing nothing for two days. One cannot comprehend such a reaction from a commanding general on a field of triumph when one determined push would have settled this war in our favor. Now you see that he attempts to place upon me the blame for his failure to advance.

The entente cordiale is destroyed between us. Still, I should be sorry to see him removed, unless a decidedly better man is substituted.

[Sue U]

the genius of George Gordon Meade came up with the unique and brilliant military idea for everyone to shoot guns at the enemy until they went away.

I'm pretty sure Lee came up with that idea a couple of years earlier.

[MajGenl.Meade]

But for the other side, d'ye see?