You're welcome to them

[Big RR]

Well sue, I guess that's all anyone can say--I doubt they'd have a fair and open trial inn the US anyway. Somehow that right has been jettisoned in the name of security--under both republican and democratic administrations. What's next but to just give a verdict without any even semblance of a trial--like we've done before.

[Sue U]

Well, they're not being shipped to Gitmo, so I guess that's something, and they were arraigned and will be tried in a US District Court, which I don't think will be sham. I'm not saying that any of these guys are necessarily peaches. But put "Muslim" and "terrorist" in the same sentence and watch all pretense of due process get thrown out the window.

[Gob]

Hey, your lot did it to our boy Hicks!

[Sue U]

Hey, your lot did it to our boy Hicks!

Uh, that was pretty much my point, there.

So why are you now calling for these men to be "dropped off" half way from the UK to the US?

[Gob]

Because I don't like them.

Mind you, I'm no fan of Hicks either...

[Sue U]

As I said:

. . . put "Muslim" and "terrorist" in the same sentence and watch all pretense of due process get thrown out the window.

[Gob]

Unfortunately Sue, that's not the reason I dislike him....

Controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has been found guilty by an Old Bailey jury of using his sermons to incite murder, and race hate charges.

Abu Hamza, who preached at Finsbury Park Mosque, London, was found guilty of 11 of the 15 charges he faced.

The cleric, 47, was also found guilty of having audio and video tapes intended to encourage racial hatred and having a document for terror purposes.

that is.

[Sue U]

I see. However, none of that is actually illegal in the United States, where the Constitution's First Amendment protects one's right to say hateful things. We don't imprison -- let alone execute -- anyone for being a loud-mouthed asshole.

[Lord Jim]

We don't imprison -- let alone execute -- anyone for being a loud-mouthed asshole.

Thank God for that!

[Gob]

Sue, we didn't want them, you did, sounds great to me.

Edited to add; OH FFS!!

A London council has asked the wife of Islamist cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri to consider downsizing from the five-bedroom council property she lives in.

Hammersmith and Fulham Council believes Najat Mostafa lives in the house in Shepherd's Bush, west London, with two of the couple's eight children.

The council said it could not force her to move as there was no time limit on the tenancy agreement.

The preacher has been extradited to the US where he faces 11 terror charges.

He and four others were flown out of the UK hours after the High Court rejected final appeals against their extradition on Friday.

Last week the council said it wanted to end council houses for life and from April 2013 new council tenants will only get a two-year or five-year fixed-term tenancy.

[Big RR]

Well, they're not being shipped to Gitmo, so I guess that's something, and they were arraigned and will be tried in a US District Court, which I don't think will be sham. I'm not saying that any of these guys are necessarily peaches. But put "Muslim" and "terrorist" in the same sentence and watch all pretense of due process get thrown out the window.

If it stays in the courts i agree it will not be a sham, but I'm still concerned about what might happen. Your last statement hits the nail on the head.

[Gob]

I'll be looking out for a copy of this;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Suicide-Fac ... 0007234694

The Suicide Factory: Abu Hamza and the Finsbury Park Mosque


Two veteran journalists tell the inside story of convicted hate-monger Abu Hamza, his infamous Finsbury Park Mosque and how it turned out a generation of militants willing to die – and kill – for their cause…

In the heightened atmosphere following the terrorist attacks on 9/11, Mostafa Kemal Mostafa, aka. Abu Hamza al-Masri, was a gift to tabloid newspapers. His prosthetic hook hand, glass eye and rabid pronouncements as imam of the Finsbury Park Mosque made him the very image of a bogeyman, easily caricatured and ultimately dismissed by intelligence analysts who judged him offensive, but essentially foolish. They were wrong.

[Gob]

Well done USA!!

Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has been sentenced to life in prison by a court in New York for supporting terrorism.

He was convicted in May of multiple charges, including hostage-taking and plotting to set up a terrorism training camp in the US.

His trial followed a lengthy extradition process from the UK.

During the sentencing, his lawyers asked the judge to take into account his missing hands and eye.

They also argued a plan to imprison Abu Hamza in Colorado's Supermax federal prison would violate assurances the US made to judges in London to secure his 2012 extradition.

Prosecutors argued on Friday that the US government had never made such a promise to the UK and life in prison was the only appropriate sentence.

Judge Katherine Forrest called Abu Hamza's actions "barbaric" and "misguided" and said she was sentencing him to life because she could not think of a time when it would be safe to release him.

She added she would leave the decision where he would spend his imprisonment to federal prison officials.

[wesw]

inciting murder is legal here? who knew?

they ll put you in jail for inciting a riot.