Belgium Bans the Burka

[Joe Guy]

Women in Belgium are beautiful - and stylish.

Click on this babe's pic for the burka story...

[Aard Vark]

I hope the same laws are implemented here. You can be told to remove sun glasses, hats (ovecorse) full face helments and any thing that covers the face or hides your appierance and would make a discription not posible, on entry to Banks, post office, shops and any government building.
Why should it be leagal for a woman to do so and not anyone else?

Good on Belgiun and I hope the human rights people respect everyone's right to see who is infront of them are.

[Gob]

Here's one guy's solution to the problem..

A husband has vowed to keep his wife indoors after she became the first woman in Italy to be fined for wearing a burka in public.

Amel Marmouri, 26, was handed the 500 euro (£430) penalty after she was spotted queuing inside a post office by police with her body and face fully covered by the garment.

She was warned she would receive another fine if she were spotted again in her burka.

Yesterday her husband said as a result he had no option but to stop her from going out.

Unemployed Ben Salah Braim, 36, said: 'I just don't know where we are going to get 500 euros to pay the fine.

'We thought as she was going to the mosque she was OK to wear the burka.

'We knew about the law and I know that (the law) is not against my religion but now Amel will have to stay indoors. I can't have other men looking at her.

'If the law says she can't wear one then she will have to stay inside night and day. There is nothing I can do.'

Under Italian anti-terrorist legislation, introduced during the 1970s to fight political activists, it is illegal to be seen in a public place with your face covered.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0n0VfcMYh

[Aard Vark]

'We knew about the law and I know that (the law) is not against my religion but now Amel will have to stay indoors. I can't have other men looking at her.

'If the law says she can't wear one then she will have to stay inside night and day. There is nothing I can do.

Her's an idea Go live somewhere you can waer a Burka without a fine for breaking the law.

I might start a religon for bike riders and it is part of our belief that you should never be seen in public without your full face helmet and goggels on. (just to show we believe in safty first)

[Gob]

Burqa bandit in armed cash grab
May 6, 2010 - 6:30AM

A gunman wearing a full black burqa and sunglasses got away with a bag of cash following an armed robbery in a Sydney car park, police say.

The burqa bandit and an accomplice allegedly stalked their 35-year-old victim after he withdrew a large amount of cash from a shopping centre in Miranda, in the city's south, about 5pm yesterday.

The victim drove to another shopping centre in Hurstville before the man wearing a burqa - traditionally only worn by women in the Islamic culture - drew his gun, grabbed the cash and fled.

Police are looking for two men who are about 20- to 25-years-old, of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance and about 170cm tall.

The second robber wore a white cap, blue-shirt and faded jeans.

Anyone with information about the robbery is asked to call Crime Stoppers on 1800333000.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/burqa-bandit- ... -ub1r.html

[Gob]

France's lower house of parliament has overwhelmingly approved a bill that would ban wearing the Islamic full veil in public.

There were 335 votes for the bill and only one against in the 557-seat National Assembly.

It must now be ratified by the Senate in September to become law.

The ban has strong public support but critics point out that only a tiny minority of French Muslims wear the full veil.

Many of the opposition Socialists, who originally wanted the ban limited only to public buildings, abstained from voting after coming under pressure from feminist supporters of the bill.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has backed the ban as part of a wider debate on French identity but critics say the government is pandering to far-right voters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10611398.stm

[SisterMaryFellatio]

I love Billy Connolly's take on the Burka...

Male Muslim " have ya seen my new bird shes hot?"

Other male muslim "which one"

"shes the 3rd one on the right"

"Oh yeah shes hot"

Billy Connolly screaming FUCK OFFFFF THEY ALL LOOK LIKE FUCKIN PINTS OF GUINESS YA MUSLIM TWATS!!

Good onya Belgium, may the rest of the world follow suit.

[Gob]

I read someone describe them as "walking coffins", that was apt!

[Big RR]

I hope the same laws are implemented here. You can be told to remove sun glasses, hats (ovecorse) full face helments and any thing that covers the face or hides your appierance and would make a discription not posible, on entry to Banks, post office, shops and any government building.
Why should it be leagal for a woman to do so and not anyone else?

so under the law, an orthodox jewish man could be made to revoe his yarmulke? What about a catholic priest (especially orthodox), or any other number of religions that have some sort of required ehadgear covering? I don't believe only the burka/women are exempted.

As for this law, if it makes sense for security in public buildings, it may be jsutifiable; but in most cases I find laws like this are less about security and more a xenophobic response to people who, for some reason, object to those "others" from being in the neighborhoods. IMHO, I think we should strive for tolerance of cultural differences, but genuine security (and some other) concerns may trump this concern in some individual circumstances.

[loCAtek]

Yeah, who ever heard of a national dress code?

Did we time-shift into the fifties without my noticing it?

[Gob]

BigRR: I believe them to be an affront to every woman in the first world. We now have female emancipation here, and I do not think that this medieval idiocy, which has no religious substance to it, should be countenanced in free societies.

[Sean]

so under the law, an orthodox jewish man could be made to revoe his yarmulke? What about a catholic priest (especially orthodox), or any other number of religions that have some sort of required ehadgear covering?

Not at all Big RR. Full-face coverings are prohibited. The Jewish and Catholic headwear does not cover the face.


edited to fix tags.

[Big RR]

BigRR: I believe them to be an affront to every woman in the first world. We now have female emancipation here, and I do not think that this medieval idiocy, which has no religious substance to it, should be countenanced in free societies.

And I think in a free society people should be able to dress as they choose, whether I, you, or anyone else likes, hates, or believes them to be an affront to anything ot anyone.

so under the law, an orthodox jewish man could be made to revoe his yarmulke? What about a catholic priest (especially orthodox), or any other number of religions that have some sort of required ehadgear covering? [\quote]

Not at all Big RR. Full-face coverings are prohibited. The Jewish and Catholic headwear does not cover the face.

But it seems to me here the ban goes beyond just the face covering. As I said, I support bona fide security measures based on real concerns, and if that requires people to expose their faces when entering a secure building, so be it. But is seems like this is a much borader ban restricting what one can wear in public at any time or place. Indeed, I think the term burka does not refer to the veil per se, but to the loose fitting robe worn on top of the clothing (kind of like a graduation robe); when I was in Saudi Arabia the full face covering veil had another name I cannot recall. Reading the comments here, I think the ban was on both the veil and the robe.

[Guinevere]

BigRR: I believe them to be an affront to every woman in the first world. We now have female emancipation here, and I do not think that this medieval idiocy, which has no religious substance to it, should be countenanced in free societies.

And I think in a free society people should be able to dress as they choose, whether I, you, or anyone else likes, hates, or believes them to be an affront to anything ot anyone.

I agree -- and frankly most of the comments I've read seem more like racism/anti-muslim sentiments than anything truly grounded in feminism or modernism.

[Aard Vark]

So why is it an offence to wear your full face helmet in most buildings and in malls? (Queen St Mall Bridbane QLD for one) How about a man can be stopped and asked to remove a large hat in a public place if the police think he is hiding his face?
Lastly you can be held for questioning for wearing a full face belaclarver in public, under the "Items for use in crime laws". These laws cover any clothing that can discise or hide identity in the corse of committing a crime. These laws also cover caring items such as screw driver, jimmy or crow bars, knives and guns or fake guns in public without good reason for doing so.

Now I ask why is a Burka any different to a man in a large hat or helmet?

[Gob]

And I think in a free society people should be able to dress as they choose, whether I, you, or anyone else likes, hates, or believes them to be an affront to anything ot anyone.

And you actually think these women in the UK/Europe/Aus are "free" to choose to dress as they wish? Wow!!

[Lord Jim]

I find laws like this are less about security and more a xenophobic response

frankly most of the comments I've read seem more like racism/anti-muslim sentiments

I don't think that those comments are fair...

You guys have to understand that these folks, (Strop, Sean, Daisy, etc.) live in countries where a large portion of the Muslim leadership is far more radical and demanding than is generally the case in the US. And their governments are far more accommodating to these demands then would be the case here.


On top of this, the Muslim community in general in those countries is, (by desire) far more insular and disinterested in becoming a part of the mainstream of society than is the case with the vast majority of Muslims in the US. (This is largely related to their listening to the a fore mentioned radical leadership)

These guys are facing an entirely different situation than we are here; and the exasperation, anger and resentment they feel is fully understandable. If I lived in their country, (I don't know about you, Big RR...your exasperation threshold seems to be extremely high) I expect I would feel exactly the same way they do.

[Gob]

[Sean]

Well said LJ!

Here's a clue for you Big RR...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 309548.stm

People are forced to remove balaclavas, motorcycle helmets etc because they can be used to hide ones face whilst committing a crime. The above link shows exactly why the burka should not be excluded.

[Gob]

What better to hide a suicide bomber's intent?