Hick's nice little earner..

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Well again Jim, you seem better clued in than the two Aussie governments who have handled Hick's case, I'm sure your skills woudl be appreciated here!
Well, I can read simple English...

So unless they relied on someone with the reading comprehension skills of rubato to figure out the meaning of the relevant law for them, the decision has to have been political.

I know you have no difficulty believing that the US government is willing to offer other explanations in order to conceal political motives, do you not believe that Australian governments are similarly capable? 8-)

In fact in this case, again, given the known facts absent any evidence related to Gitmo, and the wording of the law, I don't think they even did a particularly good job of concealing the fact that the decision was political.

But apparently they did an excellent job of telling some people what they wanted to hear....

Which is something politicians are good at.

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If they claimed they couldn't prosecute the case because they couldn't use the evidence obtained at Gitmo, (which is what it looks like they did, based on what you've cited) they're either idiots, (given the fact that a person with very limited access to the relevant information and little time to devote to it was able to show clearly that such evidence was not needed to prosecute, given the wording of the law) or liars.

They have to be. (And I sincerely doubt that they are idiots)

In fact I think they were quite smart about it. They told the public they couldn't prosecute for reasons that the public was ready to believe without question because it focused on Big Bad Gitmo, and thus were able to avoid the political headache of putting him on trial.

Shame on them.
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The Hen wrote:Which brings me right back to remaining pissed at the Australian Government for their handling of the situation from the start. If they had done what they would have done under any other circumstances for any other citizen, the whole Hicks saga would most likely have played out entirely differently. There wouldn't have been a book in it for Hicks. There wouldn't have been a court case to decide whether the proceeds of sales were profits from crime. The Australian Government would not be feeling the sting of embarrassment now and, probably even more, in the future.
Again, it's hard to imagine a scenario in which this saga could have had a worse outcome than it already has, or a scenario which could lead to a worse potential future outcome--or a better outcome for Hicks himself.
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David Hicks says he will be taking legal action against the Australian government and demanding a full investigation into his incarceration in Guantanamo Bay.

The charge under which Mr Hicks was convicted in 2007 has been ruled invalid by a US appeals court because it could not be applied retrospectively.

"We have always said the conviction was doubtful and shouldn't stand," Mr Hicks told the National Times.
"I want a full investigation. The Australian government knew for years that the system was not fair, but it put me up before it anyway."

Overnight in Washington DC, the United States Court of Appeals ruled in the case of Osama bin Laden's former driver, Salim Hamdan, who, along with Mr Hicks, was the first detainee to be put before the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay.

Like Mr Hicks, he was found guilty of the charge of providing material support for terrorism.

The court found Mr Hamdan's conviction could not stand because, under the international law of war in effect at the time of his actions, there was no such defined war crime.

The charge was created in 2006.

Mr Hicks's lawyer, Stephen Kenny of Camatta Lempens lawyers, said he would be taking action on behalf of his client to appeal the conviction in the US military courts


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political ... z29WBHgqtK
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All of which of course has absolutely nothing to do with charging The Traitor Hicks with treason, charges for which under the Australian law as it existed at the time abundant evidence exists, without any need to use any evidence related to Gitmo. (As has been demonstrated in great detail in this thread.)

So we are still left with the obvious conclusion that the decision not to prosecute The Traitor Hicks for treason was made for purely political reasons, and had nothing at all to do with the law or the evidence.
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We'll see what comes out in court Jim....
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