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rubato wrote:
Crackpot wrote:
rubato wrote:Either ALL of Lance's teammates are lying or he is.


Yeah.


Tough call.


Lance is dirty. All the evidence says so and has from the beginning.

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And if we used that same logic applied to Rubato and this board.....
Try to render that into a cogent statement?

Really. Try hard.

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Failed?

Well it would be difficult to intelligently compare the testimony of eye witnesses to Lance's doping with the mere expressions of preference seen here.

No I take it back. It would be impossible to make such a comparison and call it "intelligent".


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Report on NPR this morning mentioned that 20 of the 21 bikers "on the podium" in the years when Lance won the TdF have been definitively associated with doping.

There will be no "official" winner of the race for the years in question.

Will this kill the status of this event in the eyes of the general public? Honestly, given all that has come to light, WGAF who wins in any year from here on out?

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dales wrote:LANCE ARMSTRONG IS A DIRTY JUICER.


GENEVA (AP) — Forget the seven Tour de France victories. Forget the yellow jersey celebrations on the Champs Elysees. Forget the name that dominated the sport of cycling for so many years.

As far as cycling's governing body is concerned, Lance Armstrong is out of the record books.

Once considered the greatest rider in Tour history, the American was cast out Monday by his sport, formally stripped of his seven titles and banned for life for his involvement in what U.S. sports authorities describe as a massive doping program that tainted all of his greatest triumphs.

"Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling and he deserves to be forgotten in cycling," said Pat McQuaid, the president said of the International Cycling Union. "This is a landmark day for cycling."


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/articl ... z2A3n7nBNX

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I've now achieved my life goal of winning the same amount of Tour de France titles as Lance Armstrong.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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dgs49 wrote:"...
Will this kill the status of this event in the eyes of the general public? Honestly, given all that has come to light, WGAF who wins in any year from here on out?
If you followed the sport you would know that doping has been a part of it for > 100 years and there have been many dozens of cyclists caught at it without dampening interest.

The TdF is a unique physical and psychological challenge.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_ ... _de_France

1903-1940s: Doping as acceptable means

The strongest drug in the early Tour de France was strychnine. Other than that, riders would take anything to survive the tedium, the pain and the exhaustion of stages that could last more than 300 km. That included alcohol, which was already strong in French culture and sometimes purer than water after World War I destroyed water pipes and polluted water tables, and ether. There are photographs of riders holding ether-soaked handkerchiefs to their mouths, or leaving them knotted under the chin so the fumes would deaden the pain in their legs.[13] The smell, enough to turn a man's stomach said Pierre Chany,[14] discouraged some but also showed the extent of suffering by others. Roger Lapébie, winner of the Tour in 1937, said he smelled ether "in the bunch near the finish; it used to be taken in a little bottle called a topette."[15] Its use lasted decades; riders were caught using it as late as 1963.

The acceptance of drug-taking in the Tour de France was so complete by 1930, when the race changed to national teams that were to be paid for by the organisers, that the rule book distributed to riders by the organiser, Henri Desgrange, reminded them that drugs were not among items with which they would be provided.[16] In a 1949 interview with Fausto Coppi, the 1949 and 1952 Tour winner, he admitted to amphetamine use and said "those who claim [that cyclists do not take amphetamine], it's not worth talking to them about cycling".[17]

1965: Criminalization of doping

In 1960, the Danish rider Knud Enemark Jensen collapsed during the 100 km team time trial at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome and died later in hospital. The autopsy showed he had taken amphetamine and another drug, Ronicol, which dilates the blood vessels. Pierre Dumas then led a committee of doctors demanding tests at the following Games. A national anti-doping law entered French legislation in June 1965.[26] Performance-enhancing drugs were now illegal in France, and the first anti-doping testing began at the 1966 Tour. That year, amphetamine use in France was running at almost a third of those tested.[20]

Alec Taylor, team manager of rider Tom Simpson who died following doping usage in the 1967 Tour, said officials treated controls in fear, knowing what was there, afraid of what they might find.

Race officials, federations, even the law on the Continent have been lax. Before Tom's death I saw on the Continent the overcautious way riders were tested for dope, as if the authorities feared to lift the veil, scared of how to handle the results; knowing all the while what they would be. They called on the law to act, enabling them to shelter under its wing and feel secure from interminable court actions and claims. They let the show carry on while the law acted light-heartedly, without vigour and purpose - and its deterrent had no effect.[27]

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The TdF's new slogan may need some work:

Cycling - dopier than cricket
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Jim--re the questions you raise, I can only address the second one. Ordinarily the courts will insist that all administrative remedies be exhausted before they will step in, and my guess is that such is the case here. Since he has walked away from the adminstrative review process, he may well not get a day in court.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:The TdF's new slogan may need some work:

Cycling - dopier than cricket
:lol:

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