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Oh, What A Very Tangled Web We Weave...

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This really gets complicated:
WASHINGTON — An FBI investigation that led to the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus also turned up evidence that Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, was exchanging potentially inappropriate emails with a Florida woman involved in the scandal, Pentagon officials said.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in a statement early Tuesday morning that he had ordered an investigation of Allen after the FBI informed the Pentagon it had uncovered thousands of pages of emails [between 20 and 30 THOUSAND]between Allen and Jill Kelley, a 37-year-old who has been described as an unpaid [badly unpaid...] social liaison at MacDill Air Force Base, Fla., which is headquarters to the U.S. Central Command.

The latest twist in the scandal investigation, coming only days after Petraeus, a retired general, resigned as CIA director after admitting he had had an extramarital affair, has thrown President Obama’s national security team into turmoil and focused attention on the private lives of the nation’s most senior military commanders.

One official said that Allen, who is married, had denied having an inappropriate relationship with Kelley, who is married to a Tampa doctor and known among officers at Central Command for hosting social events and for forging social ties with top commanders in Tampa. Allen was deputy head of Central Command before taking command in Afghanistan last year.

Officials refused to describe the nature of the emails between Kelley and Allen, who replaced Petraeus as the top commander in Afghanistan and was nominated in October by President Obama to be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. Panetta asked the Senate to place Allen's nomination on hold until after the investigation is complete.

A spokesman for Allen, who has been in Washington preparing for his confirmation hearings, had no comment on the investigation. Efforts to reach Kelley also were unsuccessful.

Kelley received an award last year for her support to Central Command and was named an honorary ambassador for the command, an unpaid position with no official duties. But she has angered some senior officers for what were described as persistent efforts by her[well, 20,000 emails will do that]to forge close personal ties to successive Central Command four-star officers by deluging them with emails, a former Central Command aide said. After being named honorary ambassador, she asked the command for staff at the headquarters to help her organize social functions, a former U.S. official said.

Panetta said that Allen would remain in command in Afghanistan while the investigation into the emails by the Defense Department inspector general is conducted.

The FBI's decision to refer the matter to the Pentagon, along with Panetta's decision to allow Allen to continue as commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan, suggested that officials viewed the matter as a possible infraction of military rules rather than a violation of federal criminal law.

“His leadership has been instrumental in achieving the significant progress that ISAF, working alongside our Afghan partners, has made in bringing greater security to the Afghan people, Panetta said. “He is entitled to due process in this matter.”

ISAF is an abbreviation for the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.

At the same time, Panetta urged the Senate to move ahead on confirmation hearings for Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Marine who has been selected by Obama to succeed Allen in Kabul.

The last three U.S. commanders in Afghanistan - Petraeus, Allen, and Gen. Stanley McChrystal - have all now come under scrutiny for their personal behavior, although Petraeus’s affair apparently began after he stepped down in Afghanistan. McChrystal was fired by Obama after a magazine article that appeared to show him and his staff criticizing and making crude jokes about Obama’s top civilian advisors.
I think this situation with Allen is much worse than the Petraus thing...

I'm trying to get my arms around the idea of The Commander of The Allied Forces In Afghanistan, having the time to exchange TWENTY THOUSAND emails...

With any one...and still doing his job....

Let alone a psycho chick who was responding to him...

And oh yeah, let's not forget about the FBI Agent who was supposed to be tracking this down....

He decided to deal with this email relationship with a woman who was complaining about being stalked, by sending her Steve Reeves pictures of himself....

And now he himself is the subject of an investigation...

It's all very confusing.... :?

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potentially inappropriate emails
That's the FBI's idea of dry humor right?

We're talking about twenty thousand emails....

After the first couple of hundred, there's nothing but "inappropriate" left...

How many "appropriate" email exchanges can you be having with someone, when you're having twenty thousand email exchanges with this person, (not your wife... though it boggles the mind to think that a person could exchange that many emails, even with their wife...) over a period of less than two years?

Oh, and did I happen to mention that the guy involved in this twenty thousand email back and forth was the The Commander of The Allied Forces In Afghanistan?

(This is a Jon Stewart routine that just writes itself...)
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I would hope most of those e mails were written by her and ignored by him. Of course they could be e-mails which were more like texts--I know my kids exchange hundreds, if not thousands, of them a month. It boggles my mind as well, but they see it as no big deal.

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It boggles my mind as well, but they see it as no big deal.
Yeah, I understand that, I've had to lay down the law with my daughter on texting a couple of times...

But she isn't The Supreme Commander of The Allied Forces In Afghanistan (this guy's older than me; he was born in 1953; and he was up to be named NATO Commander...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Allen

Twenty thousand emails? :?
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Well if 19,900 or more were from her, I could understand it a bit more.

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Big RR wrote:Well if 19,900 or more were from her, I could understand it a bit more.
Yeah, so could I... :D

Another example of smart people behaving stupidly.... 8-)
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[quote="Lord Jim
Another example of smart people behaving stupidly.... 8-)[/quote]

Let's not start a thread where we all give our prime examples. :?

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Long Run wrote:[quote="Lord Jim
Another example of smart people behaving stupidly.... 8-)
Let's not start a thread where we all give our prime examples. :?
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Yes, let's definitely not go there... :? 8-)
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I heard it's more like 4-500 actual e-mails but cc's nad other various mutiple recipients were each counted as a seperate e-mail
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Sort of saying that a single spam message was 50,000 e-mails
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Oh, so it was only about 4,500 emails....

Well that makes it a lot better... :?
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check the numbers again
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I can't imagine saying 20,000 words to my wife and she complains I repeat myself constantly.

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I'm sorry Oldr, what did you say?
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Lord Jim wrote:I'm sorry Oldr, what did you say?
20,000 words, weren't you listening to me?!?!?!?!?!??

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