Not to burst your bubble, but slender people die of heart disease and cancer all the time.RayThom wrote:In general, modern-day vegetarians are as healthy as their meat-eating counterparts and actually have lower rates of heart disease."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... -need-meat
So you know, I truly enjoy a tossed green salad with tuna, walnuts, and sunflower seeds on a regular basis -- maybe three times a week. Regardless, I'll take a tasty hamburger, or bacon club, or a nicely prepared medium sirloin steak over nuts and berries any day.
My BMI is an almost a constant 22.5, and I have a Body Fat % of 18.35 so my diet obviously keeps me within very healthy ranges so dying of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or cancer is less likely. With my sarcoidosis death will most likely be pulmonary related.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
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So do heavy people, body builders and couch potatoes, carnivores, omnivores, and vegans. We have yet to find a way to become immortal--at least in the bodies we have.
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Vegan seems unnecessarily extreme to me with little or no more benefit to your health than lacto-ovo vegetarianism. When you get into vegan territory it's like attaching a philosophy to your diet choice. As in, "I won't eat an egg because I believe that all eggs should be allowed to hatch and chickens should live on the range where the buffalo roam", or "Cows are tampered with to produce extra milk so I'm boycotting milk".
Just a thought....
Just a thought....
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Yep, we all die of something... I'm fairly sure it's unavoidable.BoSoxGal wrote:Not to burst your bubble, but slender people die of heart disease and cancer all the time.
Regardless, a proper balance of all the major food groups is key. I like to think I've found it.
“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.”
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Some people have ethical concerns about eating animals, sure.
But milk & eggs are both chock full of cholesterol and the body gets all the cholesterol it needs from the liver, it requires zero dietary cholesterol. Cholesterol clogs the arteries and causes heart disease even in regular weight people. My dear college/grad school mentor walked to and from campus every day, 5-6 miles, was a healthy weight yet dropped dead on his treadmill one afternoon because his heart was diseased.
It isn't normal to die from heart disease; that comes from diet more than any other factor (smoking worsens the risk). It used to be a rich man's ailment back in the time when most folks could only afford meat occasionally and put small bits in their soups and stews to flavor a meal that was 90%+ vegetables/grains.
Again, more than 5 decades of research clearly establishes that vegans are quite a bit healthier than folks who regularly consume udder juice and eggs.
And no, RT, animal products are 100% unnecessary for optimal human health. YOU may want them, but you don't get to make up your own science to justify that choice.
I would suggest that on the cusp of nationalized healthcare as we are, this is a critical issue because many physicians argue that as much as 80% of healthcare costs today are directly associated with our meat & dairy heavy diets, and could be eradicated by adoption of plant based diets.
But milk & eggs are both chock full of cholesterol and the body gets all the cholesterol it needs from the liver, it requires zero dietary cholesterol. Cholesterol clogs the arteries and causes heart disease even in regular weight people. My dear college/grad school mentor walked to and from campus every day, 5-6 miles, was a healthy weight yet dropped dead on his treadmill one afternoon because his heart was diseased.
It isn't normal to die from heart disease; that comes from diet more than any other factor (smoking worsens the risk). It used to be a rich man's ailment back in the time when most folks could only afford meat occasionally and put small bits in their soups and stews to flavor a meal that was 90%+ vegetables/grains.
Again, more than 5 decades of research clearly establishes that vegans are quite a bit healthier than folks who regularly consume udder juice and eggs.
And no, RT, animal products are 100% unnecessary for optimal human health. YOU may want them, but you don't get to make up your own science to justify that choice.
I would suggest that on the cusp of nationalized healthcare as we are, this is a critical issue because many physicians argue that as much as 80% of healthcare costs today are directly associated with our meat & dairy heavy diets, and could be eradicated by adoption of plant based diets.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
~ Carl Sagan
Stephen Hawking Sees Danger
Last one to the finish line wins!
“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.”
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Me and Jim have that sorted.Big RR wrote: We have yet to find a way to become immortal--at least in the bodies we have.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Can you give me that secret Gob? The bite of a vampire? some sort of serum? The power of positive thinking? I await your sage counsel.
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Pretty sure in their case it's sheer cussedness. But the jury is out on whether that will actually work or not. I suppose we will have to wait and see.Big RR wrote:Can you give me that secret Gob? The bite of a vampire? some sort of serum? The power of positive thinking? I await your sage counsel.
“I ask no favor for my sex. All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.” ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, paraphrasing Sarah Moore Grimké
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That des seem to enhance longevity, doesn't it?