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What a stain on our country this weekend has been. :cry:


Governor McCauliffe and the other local leaders said the right things, as did several other politicians - including Republicans.

Our Dear Leader wasn't able to call out the white supremacists, he spoke instead of ugliness 'on all sides' and specifically deflected any blame from himself. This has been going on a long time, he said. As if his rhetoric over the past two years has had nothing to do with inflaming the hatred.

He's inflamed my hatred; I hate his fucking guts. :evil:
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For some strange reason, I don't see this as going very well, if past Occupy protests are any guide.

Occupy Oakland calls Saturday night rally in response to Charlottesville violence


OAKLAND — Members of the Occupy Movement are calling for a Saturday night rally in downtown Oakland in response to the bloody clashes during protests in Charlottesville, Va. that left one person dead and more injured.

In social media messages Saturday afternoon the group is calling for people to meet at the intersection of Broadway and 14th Street, the epicenter of many street protests in Oakland in recent years.

“Charlottesville, we’ve got your back. Bay Area united against white supremacy. Emergency Solidarity Demo,” one of the messages said, announcing the demonstration.

Ku Klux Klan members and people carry Nazi flags protesting the planned removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee from a city park classes with counter demonstrators Friday night into Saturday.

Just when the scene appeared to calm, someone plowed a car into a crowd of counter protesters, killing one and injuring at least nine.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Very sad for me to see this...

Charlottesville is a lovely little town, and doesn't deserve to be know for this...

While the violence earlier in the day was the work of both the alt-right/neo-Nazi demonstrators and the counter-demonstrators, the terrorist attack that was carried out with the car that resulted in death, was almost certainly the act of one of the white nationalists, (given that a group of counter-demonstrators were the ones targeted.)

I haven't been able to find out much yet about the perpetrator, but the police just a little while ago released his name...
James Alex Fields, Jr. is being identified as the prime suspect who allegedly rammed his car through a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia. Registration records demonstrate that a car owned by Fields was involved in Saturday’s deadly car incident in Charlottesville. Fields allegedly drove his gray 2010 Dodge Challenger into a crowd of counter-protesters opposing a white nationalist rally. As a result of Fields’ alleged actions, 19 people have been injuries and one 32-year-old female has died.

Fields is a 20-year-old male from Maumee, Ohio. He allegedly plowed his vehicle through a crowd of protesters at a Unite the Right rally. As a result of Saturday’s vehicular incident, a Snapchat video has surfaced appearing to show Fields surrendering to police.
http://coed.com/2017/08/12/james-alex-f ... -injuries/
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Does VA have the death penalty?

The murderous SOB who did this deserves nothing less.

On second thought, why make a martyr out of this scumbag?

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Ever since I saw the tv news clip of the car moving into the crowd, I have been thinking about it. I can understand abit the truck driver who went into the crowd in France. I can imagine the driver thinking himself a total outsider giving his life to inflict harm on the enemy, the enemy defined as totally other, sharing nothing with him and ready to die to inflict damage on that enemy.

I cannot understand the extent of the alienation that must motivate a young American to believe this crowd of strangers must be harmed to the extent that the driver's own life must be forever confined and defined by this act.

But then there is lots of scientific evidence that shows young AngloSaxon males are very short on considering long term potential effects of their actions. Is this another case of 'Hey, watch this!' ?

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He's been charged with second degree murder.

I don't understand how this act is not considered willful, deliberate and premeditated killing - i.e., first degree murder. Perhaps because the state cannot prove premeditation as to the specific victim who perished?

I await further detail and explanation from the prosecutor's office.
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BoSoxGal wrote:... Our Dear Leader wasn't able to call out the white supremacists, he spoke instead of ugliness 'on all sides' and specifically deflected any blame from himself. This has been going on a long time, he said. As if his rhetoric over the past two years has had nothing to do with inflaming the hatred...
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If there was any doubt that all Confederate monuments should be razed to the ground, what happened here should put them to rest. These are the sorts of scum that worship at these shrines to racism and slavery (and always have).
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I never played a lawyer on tv, or even stayed at a Holiday Express, but I think murder in the second degree is the more general charge, while murder in the first degree requires some serious aggravating factor--was the victim a protected class or some 'heinous factor' such as torture. At this stage they could charge him with simple 'leaving the scene of an accident'. It is all just paperwork to hold him for further investigation. Wikipedias says Virginia has death penalty.

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First degree in VA requires willful, deliberate and premeditated killing as I recited above - that's why I was wondering why he didn't get charged and can only assume the police/prosecutor are charging second because of an intent issue as to the victim who died. I wonder if they'll charge counts of attempted murder for the other victims - initial charging is just to get him detained and in front of a judge for no bail or insanely high bail, one would hope.

I did find this as one of the categories under capital murder in VA:

13. The willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing of any person by another in the commission of or attempted commission of an act of terrorism as defined in § 18.2-46.4;

But I'm not sure use of a vehicle in an ISIS-style attack meets the definition of terrorism under said section of the VA Code:

As used in this article unless the context requires otherwise or it is otherwise provided:”Act of terrorism” means an act of violence as defined in clause (i) of subdivision A of § 19.2-297.1 committed with the intent to (i) intimidate the civilian population at large; or (ii) influence the conduct or activities of the government of the United States, a state or locality through intimidation.”Base offense” means an act of violence as defined in clause (i) of subdivision A of § 19.2-297.1 committed with the intent required to commit an act of terrorism.”Weapon of terrorism” means any device or material that is designed, intended or used to cause death, bodily injury or serious bodily harm, through the release, dissemination, or impact of (i) poisonous chemicals; (ii) an infectious biological substance; or (iii) release of radiation or radioactivity.
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Still haven't been able to find out much about the killer's specific political views. (He must not have been very active about his beliefs in social media or by now I would have expected the news media to have reported something.)

It has been established that he was definitely there to participate in the racist group's rally, but I haven't seen anything about whether he was an actual member of any of the organizations involved:
Who is James Alex Fields Jr., suspect in deadly Charlottesville car attack?

1. Fields reportedly told his mother, Samantha Bloom, that he was planning to attend the rally. According to the Toledo Blade, Bloom said Fields said he was going to an "alt-right" rally, but she didn't realize that it involved white supremacists.

"I thought it had something to do with [President Donald] Trump," Bloom told The Associated Press. "Trump's not a white supremacist."

She added: "He had an African-American friend, so ..."

Bloom told the Blade that she tries "to stay out of his political views."

2. The silver Dodge Charger involved in the incident reportedly was registered to Fields and had a Lucas County tag. The Blade reported that Fields was found guilty of "having expired or unlawful license plates" on the vehicle in June.

3. Fields grew up in Kentucky but recently moved to northwest Ohio. The Blade reported that Bloom and her son moved from Florence, Kentucky, outside Cincinnati, to the Toledo area "about a year ago for her job." Fields moved out of her Monclova Township apartment to his own place in Maumee "five or six months ago," she told the Blade.

4. An uncle described Fields as "not really friendly, more subdued" in an interview with the Washington Post. Fields' single, paraplegic mother raised the boy after a drunken driver killed his father before he was born, the unnamed uncle said.

The uncle told the Post that Fields' father left money to his son, which was placed in a trust fund until Fields turned 18. The last time the uncle heard from his nephew was when Fields "demanded his money," the Post reported.

5. Bloom's neighbors in Monclova Township knew little about Fields. “I’ve never spoken with the gentleman; I don’t know anything about him,” one neighbor, Bob Rose, told the Blade. “You just never know. Until you get the whole story, you can assume what you want. Was he there to cause mayhem? Was he a white supremacist? I don’t know.”

The Blade reported that Fields frequently "blasted polka music" in his car when he was in the neighborhood,[as any typical 20 year-old male is wont to do....]according to Laurie Schoonmaker, another neighbor.
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Don't you mean "the terrorist?"
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As for Trump's behavior regarding this...

It's hardly surprising given his track record on the subject, that he hasn't been able to bring himself to call out and denounce the racist groups specifically. (This is the guy who dicked around for five days before he was able to bring himself to issue a brief and terse renunciation of David Duke's support, after first lying and saying he had never heard of Duke.)

Trump is a guy who can go on for days criticizing a Broadway show or a comedy TV program, but when it comes to the KKK or neo-Nazis he suddenly becomes bashful...The only one he seems to find tougher to criticize is Vladimir Putin...

There's no secret to the reason for this. Trump well knows that he has deliberately pandered to racism and xenophobia, and that consequently racists make up an important faction of his support. And Trump is the sort of morally empty person who doesn't want to alienate any supporter no matter how foul or odious they may be.

If anyone was looking for Trump to provide some expression of moral leadership at a time like this, they've got the wrong dude...

This is yet another way in which he's "not a typical politician"... :roll:

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Guinevere wrote:Don't you mean "the terrorist?"
I used that term in my first post about this. The guy is also a killer. And a murderer. (Obviously not every person who engages in an act of terrorism is also a murderer; not every act of terrorism causes death.)

And since he is a murderer, you can mark me down with Dale as supporting the DP in this case.
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He's a racist Trump loving neo-Nazi piece of shit terrorist, radicalized by the President of the United States.

Charlottesville terrorist
Fields’ Facebook page was peppered with similar alt-right and Nazi imagery — such as Hitler’s baby photo; a tourist shot of the Reichstag in Berlin; and cartoon of Pepe the Frog, the anthropomorphic frog hijacked by right-wing groups — before it was deactivated around 11:30 p.m. Saturday.
He's got Hitler's baby picture on his Facebook page.
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This from the poster complaint of long ass links? :shrug
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I doubt trump is to blame for his radicalization but trump is definitely the reason these guys feel they can show it.
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What amazes me are the amount to chuckleheads claiming the driver was liberal/antifa. (Wouldn't be surprised if that's what liberty posted before he read the thread and figured he just might be wrong)
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What amazes me are the amount to chuckleheads claiming the driver was liberal/antifa.
The picture at the link BSG posted would seem to conclusively confirm what Fields' political orientation is (or maybe the loonie birds are claiming the picture is a fake):

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James Fields Jr., the maniac driver who police say steered his beloved Dodge Challenger into a crowd of peaceful protesters in Charlottesville, Va., had been brandishing a shield emblazoned with a white supremacist emblem just hours before the deadly rampage Saturday.
Not just the shield, (which the participants obviously made and brought themselves since they're all different; they didn't just show up and get handed one.) but this particular group seems to have some "white shirt khaki pants dress code" that Fields came prepared for.

All of this suggests that the dirtbag had a more formal relationship with this "Vanguard America" white supremacist group than just having perused their website...

Here's a quote from that site. Easy to see why they are such fans of Trump:
The time of the Republic has passed in America, as the system grows weak. Arrogance and delusions of infinite power have brought the state to the point of buckling. The damage done to this nation and its people will not be fixed if every issue requires a vote, if every point must be debated, discussed, or deliberated upon. Democracy has failed in this once great nation, now the time for a new Caesar to revive the American spirit has dawned.
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