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wesw wrote:because the clamor over the release drowned out any stories about the admins health care deceptions and gruber s testimony yesterday. I couldn t watch c span 1 and two at the same time.

does denigrating others make you feel better meade? stick to rube, I m outta your league....

I ve sworn off being nasty, but you are an easy target too....
Gruber's testimony was a pure partisan dog and pony show engineered by Republicans with no legislative value or purpose at all. It changed nothing about Obamacare which has been a huge success.


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I ve had enough bull crap, is "moonshiners" on?????

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Well that post wasn't denigrating - I asked two questions and you only managed to answer one (for which I thank you and dismiss as nonsense).

I'm annoyed by crass stupidity and lack patience for fools. You may be neither of those things.

It's a failing in me, I know . . . (rubato points to my passive/aggressive attitude).

Correct - you are not in my league. "Nasty" does not truly live in childish name-calling - it requires wit. (See the movie French "Ridicule" for guidance).

Mind you, a quote from that movie is "Honesty and wit are so rarely combined" - perhaps I only manage the one and not the other! :lol:

For those keeping score at home, the above five paras are passive/aggressive; aggressive/passive; passive; aggressive; passive
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...moronic one liners..., like don t quit your day job????

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oh, you deleted that post where you called me a moron !!!!!!!!!

good on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes - as you belatedly have noticed, I deleted that before you even posted and apologized for it before you even posted. It was unbecoming. Besides, I didn't refer to you as a moron, that would be a childish insult. I referred to your habit of creating multiple one-line posts one immediately after another and not using the Edit button as moronic. I do hope you noticed in another thread that I congratulated you for using the Edit button.

The second example was a bit of a snark, eh? Good advice though.

But let's leave it there in this thread eh? And allow the good folk to continue discussing other forms of torture.
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agreed. and I apologize for the post in the red neck thread.

let s just say that we agree that torture is wrong, and leave it at that.

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Lots of us didn't have that attitude in the aftermath of 9/11. Painting everyone with the same brush, in order to justify what was done after 9/11, is just post-hoc rationalization, and its just plain untrue.
I did not paint "everyone" and I have changed my post to say "some people" you know those surviving FDNY, NYPD, Transit Police, the people who had relatives and friends in the WTC. And just for the record, I am sure that some of the survivors do not have the same views that I do but on the other hand, I do know a lot who do share my views.

And to reiterate what I also said in my first post and will not edit
I did not lose any sleep over anything the CIA did to these people. And would not if it was still going on. They can put my name on it and say they did it for me.
as in "ME, oldr_n_wsr, nobody else but ME". I did not name Guin nor rubato, nor wesw nor LJ no GenMeade, just ME.
That just made it worse, oldr :lol: Now you're excluding yourself from forgetting but accusing Guin (and others including me) of forgetting our attitudes :o

Did you get angry
or did you report
on the day they wounded New York?
Sorry to all that I accused of "forgetting their attitudes" of the aftermath of 9/11. And take this time to say that those posting here may have attitudes that do not allign with my attitudes of the scum that did this to the USA.

And no, I did not report (to the military I presume, heck, I was 40-something at the time) , but I did personally give my Bush tax rebate of that year ($1200) to an FDNY widow who's husband she will forever not wake up next to and who's children are fatherless. He happened to be in the FArmingville FD that I was also a member of.

I also got the HONOR of stnding honor guard at the furnerals for 3 of the FDNY firefighters who persished that day (the FDNY firefighters were a little busy) who were also volly's here on Long island and we had their funerals at the various departments around hte island. It was at one of those funerals that I had the "pleasure" of hearing the young son (2 or 3yo at the time) asking his mom, "when is daddy coming home?". Try standing at attention, in your dress blues, at the head of a casket that probably contains only pieces of a firefighter, hear that and try and keep your composure. I had tears running down my face for the rest of my shift.
0.00095 % casualties is tiny.
Compared to what? All the people in the USA? Sure, 3000 compared to 350,000,000 is small. What are you comparing the 3000 too?
I do not view the 3000 lost lives as tiny. I think you should attend the WTC memorial next September 11 when they read off all the names of those who perished that day. Maybe it will help you perspective.

I know my attitude is not in keeping with my attempt at spirituality. It is one of my character defects, but I will not apologize for it and will probably keep and have to live with it.

I do apologize to those who think I am speaking for them as that was not my intention.

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hey! I think that that was the first thing I ever disagreed with you about, older!!!!!

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It was bound to happen. :shrug
Doesn't mean we can't get along. (WE meaning YOU wesw and ME, oldr_n_wsr)
I get along with a lot of people that don't agree with me.
One of the codes I do live by is, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to MY death your right to say it".

emphasis on "MY" as I am once again speaking for ME and ME alone
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Calling torture "enhanced interrogation" is like calling rape "enhanced dating".







ETA: this line has been quoted a lot in the last couple of days; the NYT credits this as the original source.
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Econoline wrote:Calling torture "enhanced interrogation" is like calling rape "enhanced dating".
And I (ME, oldr_n_wsr) will still not lose any sleep over it (torture that is).

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starving people to death is just enhanced dieting?

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You know rube, there are some people who might say that referring to the loss of 3000 lives in the most devastating attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor as "tiny", is "provocative"...

But me, I'm the old fashioned type, so I'm just gonna go with plain old garden variety "stupid"...
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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
Econoline wrote:Calling torture "enhanced interrogation" is like calling rape "enhanced dating".
And I (ME, oldr_n_wsr) will still not lose any sleep over it (torture that is).
Even those who never yielded intelligence or any charges?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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too much honeyed mead?

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Crackpot wrote:
oldr_n_wsr wrote:
Econoline wrote:Calling torture "enhanced interrogation" is like calling rape "enhanced dating".
And I (ME, oldr_n_wsr) will still not lose any sleep over it (torture that is).
Even those who never yielded intelligence or any charges?
I'll still sleep like a baby.
And I know it's good probablity that more did not yield any useful info than those that did.
But one would not know that unless they all got the same treatment.

As I said, it's my character defect that I have to live with. But it does not bother me. Maybe if I wasn't affected so personally by 9/11 or if we were talking about a different event that led to the torture for info about that event I might feel different. But for this I do not, and make no apologies for it.

As I have said in the past, I have no problem stooping to a very low level in defense (and retrobution) of me and mine.

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Lord Jim wrote:You know rube, there are some people who might say that referring to the loss of 3000 lives in the most devastating attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor as "tiny", is "provocative"...

But me, I'm the old fashioned type, so I'm just gonna go with plain old garden variety "stupid"...
Pearl Harbor - another minor assault. Good old USA - never had the privilege of having foreign armies come and destroy the infrastructure and large elements of the population . . . unlike so many places the USA armed forces have visited.

The loss of life on 9/11 was truly shocking and not to be dismissed - but it WAS physically a minor blow. Psychologically it was huge.
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oldrSo by your own standards of justification retailiating against is for these actions would be entirely justified? After all you safe ache ing gem and theirs.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I don t know meade, dropping those towers and damaging financial systems and our most prominent city seems like a fairly major (no pun intended) blow..., seeing as we are still fighting and trying recover financially and politically

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