Blue Lives Matter...

[rubato]

President Obama leads a town hall discussion on community policing tonight, 8p EST, on ABC.

Thanks for the warning!

Keeping that mind firmly closed requires careful planning!


yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Well, I'm relying on you to post anything interesting that comes out of it. You're my source for so much!

[dales]

Moron?

yrs,
rubato

Don't belittle yourself so, Richard.

Even a little man like you must have some redeeming qualities.

Trouble is, I can't think of any.

[oldr_n_wsr]

President Obama leads a town hall discussion on community policing tonight, 8p EST, on ABC.

Missed it.
Not even checking to see if it's still on.
Somehow I don't see where Obama knows much about policing. '
The Dallas police chief Brown should lead any discussion on community policing.

[Burning Petard]

Chief Brown is the top cop in Dallas. He carries the load and the glory for what any Dallas cop does. There is lots of controversy about the actual number of good guys, bad guys, and some guys that it cannot be determined which category they fit, that are killed by cops. Chief Brown directed such events be reported to the FBI--because it they did the counting, wrote the descriptions, the Dallas cops would have more control over how it all looked.

Such as the guy killed by the Dallas cop, determined to be a proper action by the cop--it was a bad guy because the dead man was attempting to choke the cop. As per protocol at Dallas, this was reported as a shooting of an armed person. The statistical form did not indicate the form of the weapon, or arm, used by the assailant. The dead guy was 'armed' with his hands. He had no special experience or training in 'unarmed combat' no training in any martial arts.

Chief Brown is a good boss, doing what he can to make is subordinates look good.

snailgate.

[BoSoxGal]

President Obama leads a town hall discussion on community policing tonight, 8p EST, on ABC.

Missed it.
Not even checking to see if it's still on.
Somehow I don't see where Obama knows much about policing. '
The Dallas police chief Brown should lead any discussion on community policing.

Wow, serious disrespect for the President. Whatever, it was a very thoughtful discussion and it's clear from the police who spoke there and others who have been vocal in recent days that many police respect the President's efforts - but of course, what do THEY know?

More OWRM.

[liberty]

Such as the guy killed by the Dallas cop, determined to be a proper action by the cop--it was a bad guy because the dead man was attempting to choke the cop. As per protocol at Dallas, this was reported as a shooting of an armed person. The statistical form did not indicate the form of the weapon, or arm, used by the assailant. The dead guy was 'armed' with his hands. He had no special experience or training in 'unarmed combat' no training in any martial arts.



snailgate.

Hands can be a weapon , it depends on the size differential; if the attacker is six foot six and weighs two hundred and fifty pounds and is in good physical shape and the cop weighs 180 pounds the attacker is armed. His body is a weapon.

However, I agree the classification “armed” could be misleading in this case in that it implies an external weapon such as a , knife or club.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Wow, serious disrespect for the President.

He's earned it.

[Lord Jim]

Somehow I don't see where Obama knows much about policing.

In fairness, when a President convenes a round table type confab like this on an issue of national importance, his personal knowledge or expertise in the area under discussion (which in this case is obviously severely limited) is really not that important a factor...

What matters is his status as President enabling him to be able to draw a media spotlight and also people who do have expertise on the topic to participate...

In making any judgements about this particular event; I didn't see it, and don't know who the other participants were.

[Burning Petard]

I don't see 'policing' as the problem. It is a cultural value problem. Lots of research shows that American people view 'blacks' when compared with non-blacks with similar clothing, size, age, as more dangerous. This goes for all groups of Americans, including blacks.
There is fear driving this violence. The fear is learned and pervasive.

snailgate

[Guinevere]

Somehow I don't see where Obama knows much about policing.

In fairness, when a President convenes a round table type confab like this on an issue of national importance, his personal knowledge or expertise in the area under discussion (which in this case is obviously severely limited) is really not that important a factor...

What matters is his status as President enabling him to be able to draw a media spotlight and also people who do have expertise on the topic to participate...

I making any judgements about this particular event; I didn't see it, and don't know who the other participants were.

Not only that, you can be damn sure that he knows a hell of a lot more than most people (and certainly more than oldr) given all of the incidents that have happened in the last several years (especially including knowing the people with expertise to bring to a round-table discussion), and the fact that the Department of Justice has investigated the issue as well. The Attorney General reports to the President, of course.

[liberty]

Didn’t Obama call a cop a fool for following procedure? You remember the incident: The police were called when a neighbor saw a break-in. It turned out it was a black college professor breaking into his own home.

Then Obama humiliates the cop by forcing him to attend some beer conference.

[Lord Jim]

Oh God...

BREAKING: 3 Police Officers Killed In Baton Rouge Ambush, 7 Wounded

BATON ROUGE, La., July 17, 2016 (Gephardt Daily) — At least seven police officers have been shot, three of them fatally, in an apparent ambush Sunday morning in Baton Rouge, La.

According to local Baton Rouge media outlets, the officers were shot around 9 a.m. in an area close to police headquarters.

CNN is reporting that seven officers were shot and three of them have died.

A wide containment area has been set up and police are said to looking for a shooter or shooters.

WBRZ TV is reporting the shooting began when an assailant, dressed in black with his faced covered, walked out of a convenience store and opened fire.

A city official in East Baton Rouge told CNN the search is ongoing.

“There is still an active scene. They are investigating. Right now we are trying to get our arms around everything.”

http://gephardtdaily.com/national-inter ... -shooting/

[BoSoxGal]

If only there'd been more good guys with guns on the scene.

eta: I saw this news in a notification on my phone, but couldn't bear to turn on the news. Since I moved in with my cousins and have a TV w/FIOS in my room, I've been deep back into my addiction to 24/7 news and/or true crime shows. But the news in recent weeks has been just too much.

Here's what I've figured out: We aren't going to solve racism, or the perception of some that reverse racism is rampant.

But one thing we CAN solve is the gun problem - get the fucking guns off the streets, and our cops will be safer, less fearful and less likely to overreact, involve themselves in bad shootings of civilians and become targets for this kind of retributive violence at the hands of mad men with easy access to guns.

So now I'm 110% on board with Sue U's argument, we MUST repeal the 2nd amendment and end our crazy gun culture. That's something we absolutely CAN do!

#repealthe2ndamendment

[BoSoxGal]

Now I'm watching the news coverage.

And I wanted to add to my above post, to be clear that I am 100% in opposition to this method of addressing the problem of bad cops and these attacks on cops are doing a lot to dial back my lingering frustrations with cops from the bad acts I've seen in cases I've worked, or the cases I've seen in the news.

So I wanted to share this meme in tribute to the good cops, which was just shared with me by a friend . . . a cop, in fact.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I am not at all happy with myself for thinking that we'd have been a lot better off if something else was banned.

CLEVELAND - Cleveland police are investigating after a number of overnight shootings left 1 person dead and 12 injured.

The first shooting happened at around 8:40 p.m. on Phillips Avenue, where a 24-year-old man was shot in the back and taken to the hospital.

Shortly after that, at East 117th and Sellers, two women were the victims of multiple gunshot wounds. One of them died from her injuries. The other woman was shot in the back and legs. Witnesses say that this was a drive-by shooting.

At around 1:20 a.m. Saturday, at East 30th and Superior, a man was the victim of multiple gunshot wounds.

About 40 minutes later, five people were shot outside The Agora, at 54th and Euclid Avenue. Police say that there were multiple shooters at this scene, as bullet casings from three different guns were found. They also tell Fox 8 that all the victims and witnesses at this shooting were being uncooperative. Detectives are continuing their investigation Saturday.

At 3 a.m., a man was shot at East 64th and St. Clair. He was taken to the hospital.

And shortly before 4 a.m., at East 55th and Payne, 2 men and one woman were the victims of gunshots as well.

[Lord Jim]

That's something we absolutely CAN do!

#repealthe2ndamendment

I'm sorry, but there's a better chance that I'm going to be selected to command the first manned Mars mission, then that the 2nd Amendment will be repealed...

When we can't even get a modest measure like universal background checks to pass through congress, even when it's supported by 90% of the public, (and 80% plus of NRA members) the chance of getting something that is opposed by a huge majority of Americans (repeal of the 2nd Amendment) to pass with a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress and receive ratification by 3/4 of the state legislatures are none and none...

It will not happen within the living memory of anyone currently alive on the planet...

A "solution" with a practical possibility of success that is zero, really isn't a solution...

[BoSoxGal]

It could happen if the police got behind it.

[Joe Guy]

Did anyone see the mayor of Baton Rouge speak? It looks like he came directly from the golf course. You'd think he could at least have changed clothes before going on camera...

[RayThom]

Give or take there are 360 MILLION firearms in the USA. Even if the government was successful in wrangling 90% of them from its citizenry those that shouldn't have them would retain possession.

Ironically, it's the dumbest and drollest of all NRA phrases that rings undeniably true, "if we outlaw guns, only criminals will have guns.” And if miraculously 100% of all firearms could be confiscated then only criminals would have IED's and the cycle of violence would continue. So, the underlying and pervasive problem is the culture and not the gun in all its various forms. The bottom line... we be screwed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... then-some/