Bob the racist

[Scooter]

I know that, for example, police visits to a home for so-called "wellness checks", often used with people experiencing mental health issues will show up on an enhanced version of a records check (used for employment working with children or other vulnerable persons). Not arguing what should or shouldn't be, only that what is happening in the present case is by no means unique.

[Gob]

I know that, for example, police visits to a home for so-called "wellness checks", often used with people experiencing mental health issues will show up on an enhanced version of a records check (used for employment working with children or other vulnerable persons).

Well over here we have confidentiality laws over medical disclosure. And disclosing someone has mental health problems is a BIT different to accusing them of being a racist, is it not?

[Scooter]

There's a different sort of stigma to mental health issues could be just as compromising for potential employment.

[Big RR]

I don't know in Canada what the standards are, but as I understand wellness checks in the US, they occur when someone calls the police based on a loved one's behavior or the police observe someone acting violently. If the police are called and nothing is visibly amiss, they leave without further action and do not create a report(although they may choose to, in which case they will also report that there was no basis to the report). In the UK requirement (as I understand it) they are required to report the "hate" allegation even if there is no evidence for it (and it does not appear that they are either required to or permitted, as the requirement is only to report the allegation, not see if it is substantiated). This is a big difference.

[Burning Petard]

"Under the Hate Crime Operational Guidelines, adopted in 2014, forces are required to record any actions deemed to be motivated by an element of hate, even if there is no evidence to prove them."

Well, this is England, not the USofA, so I do not have solid knowledge of what is actually required by law in England by 'Guidelines" , 'instructed' and 'required.

But if they are actually expected to record and report these actions 'deemed' with 'no evidence' it seems a ripe opportunity to harass the police by a tactic popular back in the '60s among student protestors described as 'giving the crank an extra turn.' That is when a rule is absurd, rub authority's metaphorical nose in it. Have many people report many instances of actions deemed motivated by an element hate with no evidence. Call a hundred times reporting people walking on the sidewalk motivated by hate of people driving cars. This could be the next great social media challenge. How many calls can you make, with no evidence to prove them?

snailgate

[Econoline]

Congratulations, Gob...the UK has for once out-crazied the US!

[Bicycle Bill]

This is kind of like making high school internet trashing part of an official government record and can seriously damage reputations of purely innocent people.

Wait, wait.... What???

You mean that back in eighth grade, when Linda and I got caught smooching in the coat room with my hand under her blouse and the nuns told me "This is going to go onto your PERMANENT record, young man!", it really didn't and they were just BSing all us kids?

-"BB"-

[Gob]

Congratulations, Gob...the UK has for once out-crazied the US!

Thanks you, we strive to beat the best...

[MGMcAnick]

You mean that back in eighth grade, when Linda and I got caught smooching in the coat room with my hand under her blouse and the nuns told me "This is going to go onto your PERMANENT record, young man!", it really didn't and they were just BSing all us kids?

You'd better hope not BB, or Linda may scream "ME TOO" and have you indicted.

[Burning Petard]

I fondly remember the strange looks and remarkable words exchanged when, about 30 years after my oh-so-very-formal Eighth Grade graduation, I returned to the school office and asked to see my very own permanent record.

snailgate

[Big RR]

The school "permanent record" was an empty threat, but a police record can affect you in many countries, including the US; I've sene it happen a number of times, and straightening things out can be difficult, if not impossible.

[Jarlaxle]

Again, there would be all manner of police records of incidents that could potentially be subject to such searches, depending on what the law allows.

Not the question I asked though.

I'll try again; Do they then place people, guilty of no crime, on a national database which; "If a potential employer asks for a Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) check" could lose you your job?

Accusation equals guilt. It's essentially a legalized, officially-sanctioned scarlet letter based on literally nothing.

[Gob]

Have to agree.