Trump shot at Pennsylvania Rally

[Jarlaxle]

My suspicion is that SS makes Trump wear a vest in open air rallies, but maybe not.

For a potential assassin, I would think there would be some reluctance to bypass the iconic head obliterating shot like we’ve all seen so many times on the Zapruder film, and which the shooter’s generation has grown up seeing abundantly on their FPS video games.

He was DEFINITELY not wearing a vest on Saturday. (I suspect he may have suit jackets lined with Kevlar, though that wouldn't stop a round from a rifle.) Several pictures are quite clear, since he had removed his tie and opened a button on his collar: he's not wearing body armor under his shirt. (The fact it was 90+ degrees may have factored in there-I was ~170 miles away in PA and the heat was brutal.) However, I wonder if the shooter THOUGHT he was, and like many people, has no idea about the various types of body armor and their capabilities.

[Jarlaxle]

There are alot of what-ifs in this latest investigation. For me the biggest is why that building was outside the Secret Service security circle.

According to NPR, the Secret Service had charge inside the venue perimeter. The building was outside and under the purview of local law enforcement. There were four security sharpshooters in the vicinity - not sure exactly where - 2 secret service in the venue and 2 locals somewhere, perhaps there too.

Directly from two different retired USSS protection detail officers, that's correct: the Secret Service handles the far perimeter and the direct protection of the President. State/county/local police handle the area in between.

The shooter was not positioned on the building ready to kill. He scrambled up minutes before Trump started blethering, was observed doing so and "police were told but didn't react" according to witnesses. He then elbowed himself into position (also on the video) and started shooting. Video of him climbing up shows that at least one police person got up there soon after - presumably the guy who (according to a report I saw) said he fired his pistol. I'd be interested in knowing which sharpshooter (positioned where) actually made the shot that took him out.

It appears (altho Jarl will no doubt say I don't know what I'm talking about - altho' I'm not currently talking) . . . it appears he took hasty shots without overmuch preparation. Damn shame about the attendee who was killed and the two seriously injured. Also damn shame that Trump was hit at all - he's going to milk his (instinctively clever) Iwo Jima moment until the voting's done.

Correct, looks like he took what was essentially a "snap-shot" at Trump.

[Jarlaxle]

Which part?
My amazement that anyone in CCF could not get the marksmanship badge?
My amazing and awe-inspiring skill at hitting a target at 100yds with an SMLE? (I bet you know what a Smellie is)

Short magazine Lee-Enfield? Of course I know, I owned one.

That I wouldn't care to try it at 100m with AR15 and would instead hope and spray?

The effective range of an AR, mostly. 100m is a third the effective range of an AR in .223 or 5.56mm.

[BoSoxGal]

There are alot of what-ifs in this latest investigation. For me the biggest is why that building was outside the Secret Service security circle.

According to NPR, the Secret Service had charge inside the venue perimeter. The building was outside and under the purview of local law enforcement. There were four security sharpshooters in the vicinity - not sure exactly where - 2 secret service in the venue and 2 locals somewhere, perhaps there too.

Directly from two different retired USSS protection detail officers, that's correct: the Secret Service handles the far perimeter and the direct protection of the President. State/county/local police handle the area in between.

The shooter was not positioned on the building ready to kill. He scrambled up minutes before Trump started blethering, was observed doing so and "police were told but didn't react" according to witnesses. He then elbowed himself into position (also on the video) and started shooting. Video of him climbing up shows that at least one police person got up there soon after - presumably the guy who (according to a report I saw) said he fired his pistol. I'd be interested in knowing which sharpshooter (positioned where) actually made the shot that took him out.

It appears (altho Jarl will no doubt say I don't know what I'm talking about - altho' I'm not currently talking) . . . it appears he took hasty shots without overmuch preparation. Damn shame about the attendee who was killed and the two seriously injured. Also damn shame that Trump was hit at all - he's going to milk his (instinctively clever) Iwo Jima moment until the voting's done.

Correct, looks like he took what was essentially a "snap-shot" at Trump.

So if it was a snap shot and he came that close to neutralizing Trump, was it God who saved Trump, or God who guided the bullet and Satan who turned Trump's head?

Of course I'm just being silly, there are no gods or devils. Only human beasts.

[Bicycle Bill]

Maybe Trump’s ear will get infected and it will spread to his brain and he will cease to function.

Could happen…

Doctors have released information that Trump's wounded ear is the result of an EXIT wound.  So apparently there was a second shooter, apparently positioned on and firing from Trump's left side, as they have determined that he was shot in the LEFT ear.  The bullet passed through the ear hole and his skull before exiting the right ear, causing the resulting damage.   

A source who asked not to be identified stated that Trump's survival can be ascribed to the fact that the assassin's bullet passed through his brain rather than a vital, functioning organ.

-"BB"-

[Joe Guy]

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[BoSoxGal]

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[Bicycle Bill]

it’s pretty impressive that one of his shots was basically a perfect sniper shot, foiled only by Trump moving his head a split second before.

Had Drumpf NOT turned his head to the right, he'd be dead.
If the kid had shot for center mass, instead of trying for a perfect head shot, Drumph would be dead.
There are a lot of "what ifs" involved.

Even if the shooter had aimed for Trump's heart, the orange-haired turd would have still survived.   Since his heart is made of stone like it is, the bullet would have just ricocheted off.
Then of course there's also the difficult of even hitting that small a target in the first place.

-"BB"-

[ex-khobar Andy]

Thank you for your comments about my marksmanship (or lack thereof). My recollection is that there were three standard of badge: Pass, 1st Class and Marksman. Pass - the one I got - meant that you could, in fact, hit a barn door at 25 yards. I wore it proudly.

I am happy that Trump survived, because Trump is totally fucking incompetent - that's his one saving grace. It's a mercy, albeit a very small one, like his fingers.

[BoSoxGal]

Speaking of Grinches - Trump went golfing Sunday, but didn't contact the victims or their families.

Biden called the widow of the firefighter who was killed - she refused to speak to him because she said her husband was a 'devout Republican' and wouldn't have wanted her to talk to Biden, no matter what.

She also said she didn't blame Biden and wasn't into politics herself, so there's that.

I feel sorry for her; Biden is very empathetic and knows what it is to lose one's first love in tragic circumstances.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Correct, looks like he took what was essentially a "snap-shot" at Trump.

Thank you.

[Scooter]

[Big RR]

Speaking of Grinches - Trump went golfing Sunday, but didn't contact the victims or their families.

Biden called the widow of the firefighter who was killed - she refused to speak to him because she said her husband was a 'devout Republican' and wouldn't have wanted her to talk to Biden, no matter what.

She also said she didn't blame Biden and wasn't into politics herself, so there's that.

I feel sorry for her; Biden is very empathetic and knows what it is to lose one's first love in tragic circumstances.

People grieve differently; some don't want to talk with anyone at all, others might be leery, of having a call turned into a political moment (and I am sure the press has hounded them for comments and interviews), and others might just be jerks. FWIW, if the situation were reversed and I were in her position, I'd have no interest in talking with Trump (not for political reasons, but really because I just don't care to hear what he has to say). The politicians can give their generic condolences on public media, and the bereaved can listen of ignore them as they see fit. Indeed, I probably wouldn't want to talk with anyone other than a friend or family member, whether their condolences were genuine of for show or personal gain. If he genuinely wanted to reach out, perhaps Biden could send a condolence letter without any fanfare or press coverage.

[BoSoxGal]

Just to clarify, SHE is the one who told the press that Biden called her - there was no press release from his office seeking public attention for the act. I'm very sure he will be sending her a condolence letter from the Oval.

[liberty]

This idea that trump was or could be a dictator is bullshit. The founders gave us a system to prevent that from happening. if we ever fear that some politician could subvert the system and become a tyrant we should strengthen the system of safeguards instead of whining. Two suggestions that I would make would be to keep the professional army but bring back the draft. All 18 year olds would serve a one year of enlistment. They would be trained in combat and indoctrinated to believe it is their duty to prevent a dictator from ever seizing power along with an understanding of the Constitution and what would be a seizure of power. And the states would form militias with the bulk of their manpower drawn the from 19 year olds previously trained by the US army. If you think this is too much trouble then I say you don't deserve freedom you should be a slave.

[MajGenl.Meade]

This idea that trump was or could be a dictator is bullshit. The founders gave us a system to prevent that from happening. if we ever fear that some politician could subvert the system and become a tyrant we should strengthen the system of safeguards instead of whining. Two suggestions that I would make would be to keep the professional army but bring back the draft. All 18 year olds would serve a one year of enlistment. They would be trained in combat and indoctrinated to believe it is their duty to prevent a dictator from ever seizing power along with an understanding of the Constitution and what would be a seizure of power. And the states would form militias with the bulk of their manpower drawn the from 19 year olds previously trained by the US army. If you think this is too much trouble then I say you don't deserve freedom you should be a slave.

You are so out of touch with reality. The President is the commander in chief of all US armed forces. They obey his orders, not vice versa. We have a Constitution which the armed forces would have to destroy in order to remove someone "they" thought might be naughty. In effect, you recommend military coup as a restriction on a would-be dictator.

Perhaps you have forgotten that the only protection against a dictatorial ruler (such as Trump himself proposes to be) is removal of the President by Congress - impeachment. No President has ever been removed that way (though you could argue quite well that Nixon's resignation was forced by an inevitable "first ever"). You can be sure that if Trump gets in, the House will likely remain full of his lick-spittle tongue-TP acolytes who will never utter a peep against him. The Supreme Court (already packed with his trouser-snakes) will not and cannot remove a President. No mate; Iwo Jima Don is 100% certified dictator material and he fully intends to stack the deck in every area of government - especially now in removing the Civil Service and stocking it with freedom-loving fascists of the VDJance / Gym Jordan / Matt Gits / Marginally Traitor Greene kind and the entire crew of disgusting animals he leads by the nose.



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[Joe Guy]

In other news, Mike Lindell was quick to capitalize on his hero's misfortune...

[ex-khobar Andy]

Lib told us:

This idea that trump was or could be a dictator is bullshit.

I'd say that the recent SCOTUS ruling on Presidential immunity for 'official acts' is a pretty good start. If this was limited to what one would normally think of as 'official acts' it wouldn't be too bad. If the President increases a duty because he thinks it will stimulate jobs and it turns out he is wrong than I don't think he should be prosecuted. But it's a whole lot wider than that as we know - Sotomayor wasn't exaggerating in her dissent - and Trump is claiming, with some chance of success, that this ruling means that everything he did to try to subvert the 2020 election was legitimate use of presidential powers and thus he is immune from prosecution. an 6th; and that phone call to Georgia when he wanted them to find another 11,700 votes. And he is also trying to make us believe that paying off Stormy Daniels was an official act.

So no, not bullshit. Very real.

[MajGenl.Meade]

This is quite unprecedented after all. It's the first assassassination attempt ever

[liberty]

This idea that trump was or could be a dictator is bullshit. The founders gave us a system to prevent that from happening. if we ever fear that some politician could subvert the system and become a tyrant we should strengthen the system of safeguards instead of whining. Two suggestions that I would make would be to keep the professional army but bring back the draft. All 18 year olds would serve a one year of enlistment. They would be trained in combat and indoctrinated to believe it is their duty to prevent a dictator from ever seizing power along with an understanding of the Constitution and what would be a seizure of power. And the states would form militias with the bulk of their manpower drawn the from 19 year olds previously trained by the US army. If you think this is too much trouble then I say you don't deserve freedom you should be a slave.

You are so out of touch with reality. The President is the commander in chief of all US armed forces. They obey his orders, not vice versa. We have a Constitution which the armed forces would have to destroy in order to remove someone "they" thought might be naughty. In effect, you recommend military coup as a restriction on a would-be dictator.

Well then perhaps what this country needs is a huge militia and the governors do not have to turn over control of their National Guards to the federal government. The President and the federal government do not and should not have total control of all military force in the country. The state, people collectively, should have some and the people individually should have some. Something you don't understand but the founders did if you want to keep a Republic you have to be willing to do whatever it takes to keep it.

You see things differently 'be cause you're still English; you see the US as an empire instead of a federation. An empire is a collection of coerced states whereas a federation is a collection of voluntarily cooperative states. Face it Meade you are an imperialist.