USA & Israel launch illegal war on Iran

[MajGenl.Meade]

I wasn’t concerned with details . . . I think that . . . I think there are . . . I suspect they may . . . I cannot prove this . . . I believe . . . I know that the whipping I received from my mother for stealing a ball of twine stopped me from stealing again

That's part of the problem, lib. You always are long on speculation and short on facts. But I guess you got one fact there; personal experience counts. Did you need counseling or did you kind of get the idea when mom said "This will teach you not to steal twine"?

[BoSoxGal]

Children don’t require physical beatings to learn lessons about proper conduct. Actually no living creature with the capacity to learn requires physical beatings to learn. Beating an animal or child is the sign of a weak mind and corrupted heart, I’m sorry your mother like too many ‘parents’ fell into this toxic mindset. It’s sickening how high the percentage of people who believe it’s okay to beat children and animals, if polls are to be believed. I suspect that has a lot to do with the damage that is done to a child when they are beaten by their primary caregiver whom they adore, and the convoluted workings of their brains as they try to come to terms with the violence done to them and fear created in them at the hand of a beloved guardian.

People have actually been training up children and animals in nonviolent ways for millennia, it’s just recently becoming more commonly recognized as the more enlightened path - so no arguments about new fangled soft parenting need be asserted. The studies on the damage done to children by infliction of corporal punishment are voluminous and quite clear in their findings.

[Sue U]

What Meade and BSG said.

[liberty]

Children don’t require physical beatings to learn lessons about proper conduct. Actually no living creature with the capacity to learn requires physical beatings to learn. Beating an animal or child is the sign of a weak mind and corrupted heart, I’m sorry your mother like too many ‘parents’ fell into this toxic mindset. It’s sickening how high the percentage of people who believe it’s okay to beat children and animals, if polls are to be believed. I suspect that has a lot to do with the damage that is done to a child when they are beaten by their primary caregiver whom they adore, and the convoluted workings of their brains as they try to come to terms with the violence done to them and fear created in them at the hand of a beloved guardian.

People have actually been training up children and animals in nonviolent ways for millennia, it’s just recently becoming more commonly recognized as the more enlightened path - so no arguments about new fangled soft parenting need be asserted. The studies on the damage done to children by infliction of corporal punishment are voluminous and quite clear in their findings.

Well then, why is it that Iran has such a low level of juvenile crime compared to the West? Can you answer that?

[liberty]

Well then, I don’t get this. You all express great admiration for Iran, but there’s nothing they do that you actually want to emulate. What is going on here? Can’t you think of even one thing they do that you find admirable and would want to adopt? Or are you just being hypocrites, as usual?

[liberty]

I wasn’t concerned with details . . . I think that . . . I think there are . . . I suspect they may . . . I cannot prove this . . . I believe . . . I know that the whipping I received from my mother for stealing a ball of twine stopped me from stealing again

That's part of the problem, lib. You always are long on speculation and short on facts. But I guess you got one fact there; personal experience counts. Did you need counseling or did you kind of get the idea when mom said "This will teach you not to steal twine"?

No, counseling wasn’t needed, because I knew that my mother loved me. The whipping my momma gave me was probably the best things that ever happened to me. Considering my early experiences with my stepfather, I could have turned out much differently. While I was under his supervision, I got kicked out of two schools, including Catholic school.

I loved my momma very much. She had a hard life, and what little spare time she had, she spent with me, trying to undo the damage done by my stepfather.

She’s been gone for some years now, but I still miss her today just as much as the day she died.

[Joe Guy]

Children don’t require physical beatings to learn lessons about proper conduct. Actually no living creature with the capacity to learn requires physical beatings to learn. Beating an animal or child is the sign of a weak mind and corrupted heart, I’m sorry your mother like too many ‘parents’ fell into this toxic mindset. It’s sickening how high the percentage of people who believe it’s okay to beat children and animals, if polls are to be believed. I suspect that has a lot to do with the damage that is done to a child when they are beaten by their primary caregiver whom they adore, and the convoluted workings of their brains as they try to come to terms with the violence done to them and fear created in them at the hand of a beloved guardian.

People have actually been training up children and animals in nonviolent ways for millennia, it’s just recently becoming more commonly recognized as the more enlightened path - so no arguments about new fangled soft parenting need be asserted. The studies on the damage done to children by infliction of corporal punishment are voluminous and quite clear in their findings.

Well then, why is it that Iran has such a low level of juvenile crime compared to the West? Can you answer that?

[BoSoxGal]

Children don’t require physical beatings to learn lessons about proper conduct. Actually no living creature with the capacity to learn requires physical beatings to learn. Beating an animal or child is the sign of a weak mind and corrupted heart, I’m sorry your mother like too many ‘parents’ fell into this toxic mindset. It’s sickening how high the percentage of people who believe it’s okay to beat children and animals, if polls are to be believed. I suspect that has a lot to do with the damage that is done to a child when they are beaten by their primary caregiver whom they adore, and the convoluted workings of their brains as they try to come to terms with the violence done to them and fear created in them at the hand of a beloved guardian.

People have actually been training up children and animals in nonviolent ways for millennia, it’s just recently becoming more commonly recognized as the more enlightened path - so no arguments about new fangled soft parenting need be asserted. The studies on the damage done to children by infliction of corporal punishment are voluminous and quite clear in their findings.

Well then, why is it that Iran has such a low level of juvenile crime compared to the West? Can you answer that?

This is so funny because when I saw his reply I immediately thought of posting the same gif, but I didn’t bother going looking for it because I felt sure somebody else would.

Thanks for being my hero, Joe.

[Scooter]

You all express great admiration for Iran

No, not a single person has.

Third time you have attempted to peddle this lie.

Did you imagine if you tried it enough times you wouldn't get called out on it? Not going to happen.

[Scooter]

So the cease fire lasted for a half a scaramucci. The Strait of Hormuz is again closed to shipping.

[ex-khobar Andy]

You all express great admiration for Iran, but there’s nothing they do that you actually want to emulate. What is going on here?

Who here is expressing great admiration for Iran? Yes, I think we should avoid killing school kids even if they are Iranian. And apparently our 'rescue' of the downed airman (who, while wounded, managed to walk 100 miles and climb a 7000 foot mountain in 24 hours! - you have to take your hat off to this chap) involved shooting any person with 3 miles of him. The 'rescue' stories are coming unravelled.

I have great admiration for many of the people of USA. I think their president is a disaster, a con man, a moronic evil thief and a complete and utter head to tail fake. Sentence (a) does nothing to negate sentence (b). And vice versa.

[BoSoxGal]

I think I expressed some admiration for Iran, and I certainly have great admiration for Iran - the country and its people and culture, NOT the current regime.

I took a Middle East politics course at uni for my PoliSci degree - heavy on history obviously - and another course for my women’s studies minor that included extensive reading in Iranian literature and history. I’ve watched every film available to me made by Iranian filmmakers, documentary and non documentary. The first I saw was Children of Heaven, a beautiful film that was Oscar nominated - I highly recommend it.

The Persian culture is gorgeous in many ways and deserves to be admired. Don’t confuse the people with the mullahs and the ayatollahs and the IRGC - would you want to be confused with Trump and the Trumpublicans and ICE?

[BoSoxGal]

I just saw a segment on MSNOW Ana Cabrera Reports, I tried to record a video of it but couldn’t figure out how to upload it here.

The young correspondent was interviewing Jewish American voters in Boca Raton; the guy they showed on camera was a man named Dale Hershman who expressed frustration with the cease fire and suggested that Trump needs to finish the job and ‘push the one button’ and ‘end the Iranian problem once and for all.’ He stated he has ‘no concern whatsoever for the wellbeing of Iranian citizens.’ He further stated (not included in the video clip) that Israel needs to just annex southern Lebanon.

The reporter also mentioned that the next man he interviewed stated immediately upon being asked his opinion of the war with Iran, ‘KILL THEM ALL.’



I no longer have any of the feelings I used to have for Israel. I don’t believe I’m antisemitic, but I no longer have any automatic sympathy for Jewish people either. I do believe that Satanyahu and his supporters are doing immense damage to the state of Israel and the Jewish people globally, and making new antisemites every day. It’s a fucking tragedy.

[BoSoxGal]

Here’s another account: https://www.rawstory.com/amp/trump-dest ... 2676693664

[BoSoxGal]

‘Mental breakdown’: oil tanker workers stuck in Gulf for six weeks are reaching their limit

[liberty]

I think the U.S. military has achieved what it intended in terms of weakening Iran’s military capability. Of course, it’s just ‘mowing the grass’, it only keeps them down for a while, hopefully five or ten years. But that’s still better than the alternative of them getting a nuclear weapon. Or is there someone here who would actually argue that Iran should have nukes?

[Burning Petard]

BSG, I don't believe you are anti-semitic. 'Course, I have a basic problem with that term anyway. A Semite is one who is part of a culture that communicates mostly via a language that is part of the Semitic language group. That includes Arabs and Palestinians and Hebrew speaking Jews as well as others. My own innate pedantry holds that 'anti-semitic' as used to really mean anti-Jew, is some form of propagandistic obfuscation.

snailgate

[Big RR]

But that’s still better than the alternative of them getting a nuclear weapon. Or is there someone here who would actually argue that Iran should have nukes?

Well, being that they have been "just a few weeks away" from getting a nuclear weapon for the last 25 years, I'm not all that concerned. IF they wanted one, they'd have one.

[Burning Petard]

Iran found a way to appeal to Trump's basic greed. They are gonna set up a toll booth in the Persian Gulf jointly operated by Trump and Iran. The toll booth will have Trump's name on it in big gold letters.

snailgate.

[Sue U]

I no longer have any of the feelings I used to have for Israel. I don’t believe I’m antisemitic, but I no longer have any automatic sympathy for Jewish people either. I do believe that Satanyahu and his supporters are doing immense damage to the state of Israel and the Jewish people globally, and making new antisemites every day. It’s a fucking tragedy.

You are certainly not the only one who feels this way.

A view from Israel (from Ha'aretz):

Opinion
From 'Total Victory' to Strategic Failure: Cease-fire Leaves Israel Weaker and Iran Stronger

What began with sweeping promises of regime change and the destruction of Iran's nuclear capabilities ends in a fragile cease-fire, mounting losses, and a profound erosion of Israel's strategic position

Uri Misgav

April 08, 2026

U.S. President Donald Trump's infantile tweets, only a few hours after he had promised a "whole civilization will die," is a sign that it's all over. The temporary cease-fire will become a permanent one. Trump is already talking about "big money," a golden age and world peace. The overgrown child has lost his patience and interest, moving on to his next toy (Greenland? Cuba?). A person with a record of bankruptcies has chosen to cut his political and financial losses, explaining that "Iran can start the reconstruction process." And what about reconstructing Israel?

It was and remains a disastrous war that was dishonest in its aims. Two reckless psychopaths have drowned the region in blood, fire and smoke, plunging the world into a global energy crisis. Crazy Trump thought, or was led to believe, that it would take three days. At the end of 40 nightmarish days and sleepless nights, it's obvious that none of the declared and megalomaniac objectives of the war have been achieved. Not the nuclear program's destruction, the end of the ballistic missile threat or regime change.

The big winner is the military junta of the Revolutionary Guards, which has taken control of Iran, replacing the ayatollahs. It will now follow an even tougher line against the West and obviously against the poor Iranian people, with the pathos-filled concern for their welfare being replaced with "blasting Iran into oblivion," "damage to infrastructure," and "creating conditions" for a future regime change.

Now, the prevailing witticism is that the war ended with the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, which was open before the war. But this too is inaccurate. Trump has granted an unprecedented recognition to the Revolutionary Guards by acknowledging their right to safeguard passage through the Strait. Iran's status has grown. It withstood a combined assault initiated by "Little Satan" and "Great Satan," overcoming them despite its military and aerial inferiority.

Israel's situation, in contrast, has incalculably worsened. Fatalities, injuries, wrecked buildings, a routine of sirens and bomb shelters, a crumbling economy, an education system on hold, Ben-Gurion Airport shuttered. And for what? Never mind the harsh blow to the north and its brave residents, who were just beginning to pick up the pieces from the previous war, only to discover that Hezbollah had not "evaporated" or been "set back by years" but on the contrary, had been rebuilt.

The wisdom, pragmatism and moderation possessed by the founders of Israel have been replaced in the "Bibi-stan" era by messianic arrogance, lack of strategic planning and an endless fascination with tactical operations (pagers, the assassination of leaders and commanders). The defense strategy embraced by David Ben-Gurion and his followers was based on short wars, transferring the battles to enemy territory and rapid victories translating into diplomatic achievements.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose mouthpieces dared at the start of the war to compare him to Ben-Gurion and Winston Churchill, has consolidated a different conception: prolonged wars, held over the heads of Israel's home front, neither ending in victory nor contributing to sustainable agreements.

This terrible, failing loser of a man has inflicted on Israel, in less than three years, the worst strategic debacles in its history. The October 7 massacre, the two-year war in Gaza and the north, which ended without vanquishing Hamas and Hezbollah and now, dragging of Trump into a joint war in Iran to the astonishment and revulsion of the world including a vast majority of the American public. The bill and revenge will be presented to Israel and to Jews around the world.

However, the blame cannot fall only on Netanyahu and his government of eunuchs. A large majority of the public in Israel and the country's media outlets and among the so-called opposition, enthusiastically supported the war, believing in its total justification and in the possibility of attaining its delusional objectives.

If Israel manages to break away from the chokehold of the Bibi-ist-Kahanist-Haredi-nationalist-ultra-Orthodox alliance in the coming election, it will need to engage in reeducation and wean itself away from the use of force and ever more force as the only solution to problems. Life is more than a Masada syndrome and a defense of a Middle Eastern Sparta.