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Aiding our allies in an attack to aid a revolution against Qaddafi = violation of international law.

Preemptive strike against a country with no possible way of harming us = hunky dory.
Uh, OK if you believe that, but I'm suprised.
I wouldn't call Iraq a unilateral violation of international law,
I'm saying Iraq itself violated international law, by using chemical weopons and attacking Kawait, as well as the torture they practiced.

The invasion of Iraq was in response to 17 UN resolutions, that Iraq basically ignored.
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I made no reference whatsoever to the first Iraq war, which was launched with the authority of a UN Security Council resolution and was, therefore, a perfectly legal action.

And the proper response to whatever violations of UN resolutions had occurred since that time would have been to go back to the UN and get another authorization for an invasion. Which was not done, GWB instead choosing to go with a coalition of the willing idiots.
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Liberty1 wrote:Uh, OK if you believe that, but I'm suprised.
No actual rebuttal, I'm not surprised.
Liberty1 wrote:The invasion of Iraq was in response to 17 UN resolutions, that Iraq basically ignored.
None of which were even remotely a threat to us.

And the primary reason given, weapons of mass destruction, evaporated very quickly once we realized he didn't have any. And the other reason given, humanitarian aid, was laughable considering how many Iraqi citizens ended up dead and wounded because of the invasion.

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A rebutal of what, something I never said?
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But he gets an endorsement from a leading political figure.
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Dave Mustaine, leader of the heavy metal band Megadeth, is ready to rock out for Rick Santorum.

"Earlier in the election, I was completely oblivious as to who Rick Santorum was, but when the dude went home to be with his daughter when she was sick, that was very commendable,” Mustaine recently told MusicRadar.com. “... You know, I think Santorum has some presidential qualities, and I'm hoping that if it does come down to it, we'll see a Republican in the White House... and that it's Rick Santorum."

Weighing in on the rest of the field, Mustaine called Newt Gingrich an “angry little man” and said Ron Paul will “make total sense for a while, and then he'll say something so way out that it negates everything else.”

As for Mitt Romney, the rocker said, “I've got to tell you, I was floored the other day to see that Mitt Romney's five boys have a $100 million trust fund. Where does a guy make that much money? So there's some questions there.”

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Liberty1 wrote:A rebutal of what, something I never said?
Non-rebuttal followed by a non-response. Stop acting childish.

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Work on your reading comprehension.
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Work on crafting actual responses instead of silly retorts.

I made a post, you responded with a non-answer. No amount of reading comprehension can let me read your mind since you refuse to articulate yourself in any manner.

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Yes, you made a post in response to something you thought I said. So I provided a non-answer to a response that had nothing to do with me.
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Yet you refuse to articulate what it is you think it is I thought you said. You have yet to actually respond in any meaningful way. Just silly little responses that mean nothing.

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He didn't actually say that he thought protecting innocent Libyans from genocide by Qaddafi was a violation of international law. It's actually that genocides don't matter to him.
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It's actually that genocides don't matter to him.
gen·o·cide (jn-sd)
n.
The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of an entire national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
If genocide were actually what was happening, then maybe I would have agreed to skirt congress and attack a country which wasn't
even remotely a threat to us.
to use your words about Iraq.

But since it was really just a civil war, no.
The Libyan civil war (also referred to as the Libyan Revolution[38] and the Libyan Uprising[39]), was an armed conflict in the North African state of Libya, fought between forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and those seeking to oust his government.[40][41] The war was preceded by protests in Benghazi beginning on Tuesday, 15 February 2011, which led to clashes with security forces that fired on the crowd.[42] The protests escalated into a rebellion that spread across the country,[43] with the forces opposing Gaddafi establishing an interim governing body, the National Transitional Council.
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If you had read your own link and related articles in the same source, you would have seen repeated references to pro- and anti-Gaddafi tribes, as well as the fact that areas under rebel control vs. Gaddafi's control were populated by different tribes, thus making this a tribal conflict as well as a political one, thus making Gaddafi's attempts to exterminate the opposition a genocide.
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The civil war makes a huge difference, the citizens of Libya were pissed off at Qaddafi and not going to take anymore. We aided them in their fight, instead of doing everything ourselves.

The Libyans went from civil war to new government within a matter of months. The Iraqi government was so thoroughly obliterated by our invasion that it took years to get things running again.

The two situations might have been somewhat comparable if Iraq had consisted solely of a surgical strike against Saddam Hussein.

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